EggXpert

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3091&p=1 (Barcelona)

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3092 (Phenom)

It's definitely not ready from prime time. 

How did you come to the conclusion that they are not ready for prime time? All I got from the links was that performance increase between K8 and K10 was more significant than Conroe to Quad. And Pricing will decide how well they do in the market.

And it appears that Barcelona is poised to crush Xeon in the market pricing wise. 

The "prime time" remark was more so for Barcelona than it was for Phenom. The Phenom chips wont be due out until next year so any kinks that need to be worked out should no longer exist in them.

The Barcelona on the other hand needs more work before it is released later this month. (at least I am hearing that is being released this month) In the review, they were getting HT errors and the one system just died completely.  

Pricing, probably if that is so the case. However, Id rather pay more money for the performance that it gives compared to its competitor. Whoever wins gets my dollar.  

The Toms Hardware system was also using a server platform as a workstation. (Not that bad)

Removing a PCIE Riser to use a graphics card "What what what?"

And otherwise modifying the setup from a server to a workstation in order to make their test deadline. They admitted it's a fast turnaround, and were actually upbeat as to performance.

I would have LIKED to see how those processors would have performed in a 680a (workstation optimized, x16/x16 SLI) motherboard, but that was not the test they performed.

 

CrAsHnBuRnXp:

The Barcelona on the other hand needs more work before it is released later this month. (at least I am hearing that is being released this month)

IT WAS RELEASED TODAY SEPTEMBER 10^TH, 2007.

YES, BARCELONA A.K.A. “K10”

Read the first page of the Article YOU linked to

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3091&p=1

Luckily, today is the launch of AMD's third generation Opterons.

AMD's press release... 

As much as I get on Crash for being down on AMD w/o specs.. .I have to get on your case too cman... Yeah release is today, but no-body has ANY. Let's see it perform in the wild. Let's see the pricing down to compete with Intel. Let's see how it handles SLI. Please.

Specs before we declare "victory" for anyone, all the way around. 

CheapAsianGamerGuy:

As much as I get on Crash for being down on AMD w/o specs.. .I have to get on your case too cman... Yeah release is today, but no-body has ANY. Let's see it perform in the wold. Let's see the pricing down to compete with Intel. Let's see how it handles SLI. Please.

Specs before we declare "victory" for anyone, all the way around. 

With all due respect.

I did not declare a victory for anyone??????  

Yes, quite a few people do have Barcelona's --- AMD shipped Barcelona systems to hardware reviewers on Friday for a launch on Monday.

The Tech Report is talking about chips they received this Friday and benched over the weekend. 

I can promise you that just a little later this evening, you will see quite a bit more news on Barcelona. If I am wrong, please by all means come back to this post and rub it in my face.

By the way, you do realize how small the market share is for SLI ??

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying let's all wait and see.

And forgive me for calling your 36-point-text post a declaration of victory. It was kinda, well, LOUD.

I don't want to rub anything in anyone's face, I want a superior AMD product , if only to drive Intel to more innovation, but when people jump online and go all "rah rah rah" in 36-point-bold-screaming, and other people jump in with "BOO it's not the fastest evar!" Before any in-dephth analysis is in, it's kinda.. well.. drama for the sake of drama.

And FYI, the benchmarks posted already are... kinda nice, but kinda off, since it was:

1) RUSHED as all hell.

2) Performed on pre-production samples, on a SERVER hardware MODIFIED to be a workstation. Not exactly representative of what people can really get at home AT ALL. It proves nothing.

 

Personal Note: I wanna see some 680a testing. I want to see Single/Double card performance vs a comprable high-end Intel CPU. We can finally do that with 680a vs. 680i. If I am wrong on that score, please correct me!
 

I understand what you are saying man, and I agree. The large font only stated that the chip was released - in reply to the second person I have seen say "I think it will be released later this month" when it was in fact released today. Sorry about being a little over the top but I have been reading about this release since 7AM this morning.

I made no personal statements that AMD or Intel was better.

You don't have anything to apologize for, to me at least :D

I think we're both AMD fans in a Sea of Intel Contentment...

I wanna see some benchmarks of the new CPU's on a similiar chipset Vs. Intel, and I wanna see some logical pricing from AMD. Let's bring on the next round of AMD vs. Intel CPU shootouts! :D 

Yeah thanks for making such huge damn font. I hate it when ppl do that. Pisses me off.

I already remarked on that and homie apologized. Chillax, man :D

CheapAsianGamerGuy:

As much as I get on Crash for being down on AMD w/o specs...

So you think Im a fanboy of Intel do you? 

Nope, I don't think you're a "fanboy". I just think that getting all dramatic (and angry) about people's opinions is a waste of time. Let's all just wait for more in-depth analysis and better benchmarks.

And, if things work out, more price drops! That helps EVERYONE out :D

Im not getting angry. Everyone has the right to their own opinion.

Cool, cuz my intent in this discussion isn't to piss anyone off. Just to clarify that whatever was released today, we still have to wait for decent test results...

CheapAsianGamerGuy:

Cool, cuz my intent in this discussion isn't to piss anyone off. Just to clarify that whatever was released today, we still have to wait for decent test results...

Agreed.  

There has been enough test results to clearly see that the chip isn't what its been hyped to be. When AMD runs about the same performance MHz for MHz with Intel then there is a problem as AMD will not scale as well. Having to run the chip at 1.5V to hit 2.5GHz is bad news for a second revision. Hopefully with some revisions they can get to 3GHz but it may be awhile or never look how long it took for a K8 to hit 3GHz. But AMD had to bring something to the market and quick in the financial shape their in. Things are not really looking too green for green fans.

That kinda makes me sad to hear, now that I'm starting to confirm it everywhere...

But as far as the non-hardc0re userbase is concerned, can these CPU's be made to compete better with Intel CPU's in the marketplace with aggressive pricing and better cooling solutions added? As I recall the Athlons and Athlon XP's killed the Pentium D/Pentium 4 inthe marketplace, and they were all clocked slower than the comprable Intel solution. Though this was also because they performed almost as well real-world and were priced so much more aggressively... would that work again?
 

Well pricing always helps consumers to purchase but if you look at how CPU prices have really dropped there's not near as much margin on CPUs as there was. And AMD really needs a killer CPU that they could hold the profit margin up to make some money. They held great margins with the K8 as you had to pay an arm and a leg for the new CPUs when they came out. That is what they really needed this time around to bring in some Capital as they have leveraged about all they can.

That's true as well from the historical perspective. Can't have it both ways. So I guess the K8 was their swan song, then... this makes me even sadder :I I've been a real fan of Big Green, too...

CrAsHnBuRnXp:

Yeah thanks for making such huge damn font. I hate it when ppl do that. Pisses me off.

I understand the large font is irritating. Take it easy. Try to imagine my situation. I woke up around 7AM this morning and started reading about the Barcelona release. At the time of my reply I had probably read about 100 articles. I then see the same article I posted which states the Barcelona was released today, and the person linking to the article says "I think it is due out later this month" ...

It's OK now though, I took a chill pill, sorry for the large font, and my cholestorol is down! jk

Peace

I am currently disappointed but still optimistic about Barcelona - I haven't seen them run through the gamut ***yet***- I am really looking more at the Phenom's specifically the Agena's though.

cman 

CrAsHnBuRnXp:

The Phenom chips wont be due out until next year so any kinks that need to be worked out should no longer exist in them.

Um, Phenom is due out in October, hence the one month after Barcelona, dude, its kinda ruins all your credibility when you don't have your facts straight.  

Swansen,

Last I checked, the date was for first quarter of 2008. Im going by what I read a few months ago.

If it is due out in October, please link me to something that is not The Inquirer. I have a hart time believing them.

I'm almost sure he means they won't be out in the market place until Q1 2008.  Cool down and have some lemonade.