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  •  04-11-2007, 10:28 AM 15357

    Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    Greetings all,

    A friend asked me if it was possible to have his PC Dual Boot both WinXP and Woindows Vista. He wanted to keep a stable version of WinXP on for everyday usage, but also Windows Vista so that he could fiddle with it and teach himself how to use it. I told him it was indeed possible & explained how to do it. Then my brother in law gets this months issue of PC Gamer and what did it have between it's covers? Why nothing less than setting up your PC to Dual Boot. It covers the steps you need to take to have your PC Dual Boot WinXP and Vista. Yes, yes, i'm sure most of you techies here have already done this, so like with most of my posts, this info is not for you.

    Dual Boot WinXP & Vista

    Step-By-Step - (Keep current installation of WinXP)
    http://apcmag.com/5023/dual_booting_xp_with_vista

    Step-By-Step - (Clean install of WinXP & Vista.)
    1)Boot your PC from your WinXP Installation CD. To find out how to bood from the CD, refer to your PC's motherboard manual. You'll need to set the boot option to boot from whicher drive the CD is in. This is done in the Bios on startup.
    2)Follow the onscreen prompts and select the hard drive you wish to partition for WinXP and WinVista & Press "C" to continue. Depending on the level of Tech know-how, you can at this time also delete the partition(s) which will delete your current version of Windows. I advise doing this if you want to install a new copy of WinXP & WinVista.
    3)Select a size for the WinXP partition. Depending on the size of your HDD, I would advise that each partition be approx 1/2 of the total HDD size available. Unless you plan to only use the Vista partition as a means of self-training, you might want to then make the partition a ratio of 70/30. The larger size going to the OS that you plan to use on a regular basis. Regardless the use, I advise each partition have a minimum of 20GB. Keep in mind that 1,000MB = 1GB.
    4)Select the partition you want WinXP to be installed on & press enter. The next screen that comes up will ask you to pick the file system format. Select "NTFS" & the "Quick Format" option if you wish to skip the drive check. The "Drive Check" version take much longer, but it does a full HDD scan. Allow the partition to format. This may or may not take alot of time. All depends on the hardware in your PC, namely your HDD speed. A 10k Raptor drive will install WinXP SP2 in under 8 mins.
    5)After formatting is finished, and after a few prompts as WinXP installs, you'll end up at your desktop. You can at this time choose to fully update your PC's drivers and continue on your merry way, or you can skip that step for later and proceed with installing WinVista.
    6)To install WinVista, insert the WinVista DVD into your DVD drive. After a few seconds, autorun should run and the WinVista install screen should appear. Choose the "Install Now" option & choose the "Custom" option so that you can do a clean & new installation of WinVista.
    7)A screen will appear asking you where you want WinVista to be installed. On the screen you will see the partitions that you created earlier. You'll be able to easily tell which partition has WinXP already installed on it. Simply choose the "Empty" partition and continue. If you have a RAID, you'll want to click on the "Load Driver" option to setup your RAID.
    8)WinVista will then walk you through the install process. Depending on the speed of your PC's hardware, this should take anywhere from 10 to 30+ minutes.
    9)After WinVista fully installs & your PC reboots, you'll be able to customize WinVista any way you like. Now feel free to update drivers & install software as needed.
    10)The next time your PC loads up, you'll be greeted to the Dual Boot screen. You will have 30 seconds at this time to choose which version of Windows you want to load. Either WinXP, which is listed as "Earlier Versions Of Windows" or "Microsoft Windows Vista." Do nothing and after the 30 seconds runs out, the version that is highlighted will be the version that boots.

    Disclaimer:
    The above steps are a basic guideline. I visually copied parts from this months issue of PC Gamer, with a few embellishments on my part. To read the full article, get this months edition of PC Gamer & read it for yourself.

    I hope this helps.

    Enjoy!

    -MRG
  •  04-12-2007, 10:57 PM 21488 in reply to 15357

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    Cool read, I've got mine setup as Win98/XP/Vista, lol all on a 80GB HDD.

    lob
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  •  04-13-2007, 4:26 AM 21768 in reply to 15357

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    What do you do if you have Vista & XP on seperate drives and they are both Primary Active? I have just been switching the sata cable back and forth.
  •  04-13-2007, 5:56 AM 21870 in reply to 21768

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    I think it is funny that just about everybody out there is "trying" vista but for main use OS are using XP instead. Yeah vista looks pretty and most people need to upgrade their systems to run it. But this rush to the new OS is at first glance just a way to improve profits. I mean has anyone else noticed the RAM prices increase over the last year? I am not a big fan of jumping from an OS that is working great just to try the newest one out there. Although I have been curious to "try" vista. This thread kinda confirmed my thought about having to partition the drive to better accomadate the dual boot between XP and Vista.


    You either work towards a solution, or do nothing and become part of the problem!
  •  04-13-2007, 6:17 AM 21903 in reply to 21870

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    Great Post, i wish we had a Rep System here



  •  04-13-2007, 6:50 AM 21950 in reply to 21903

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    neoicejax:
    Great Post, i wish we had a Rep System here

     Thank you! Smile

    Whats a rep system? Reply system? Ask a question and i'll try to reply to it if I can...

     -MRG

  •  04-13-2007, 7:26 AM 21992 in reply to 21768

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    cxk297:
    What do you do if you have Vista & XP on seperate drives and they are both Primary Active? I have just been switching the sata cable back and forth.

    Have you set the  jumper on the drives?

    SATA Drive 1 (WinXP) Jumper set to - MASTER

    SATA Drive 2 (Vista) Jumper set to - SLAVE

    QUOTE: 

    Windows Vista Gets Harder to Multiboot?
    One of the many small things about Windows Vista that haven't been well explained by Microsoft or us technical reviewers is the change in the way the new OS handles boot instructions.

    Under Windows XP and 2K, Windows looks for a simple text file, called boot.ini, that controls boot options, displaying them for your selection in character mode during system boot. Prior to Windows Vista, if you had more than one version of Windows installed on a computer, Windows consulted the boot.ini file (located in the root directory) about how to handle basic options and default actions at boot time. A simple tool for editing boot.ini to control default boot behavior is available in the Advanced > Startup and Recovery area of the System Control Panel. Boot.ini controls basic defaults, such as which installed OS will load automatically if you don't intercede on the multiboot screen, the wordings that describe your options there, and how long the multiboot screen will display at boot time before executing its defaults. The boot.ini file is protected by read-only attribution, but that doesn't make it secure. If someone hacked your network or a Trojan wanted to execute a script to edit this file, that wouldn't be challenging. The vulnerability could cause major headaches, especially for inexperienced users.

    Presumably, this is the reason Microsoft opted to do away with the boot.ini text file. I'm OK with that. My problem is with the alternative it has instituted instead. The only way to make changes to the multiboot configuration now is with a complex command-line utility called bcdedit (bcdedit.exe). Admittedly, there isn't much documentation for this utility yet. There is extensive help information built into the tool, though it's poorly written and figuring out the syntax requires guesswork. Bottom line: I found the tool incredibly difficult to use, and I had trouble making it do what I needed it to do. For example, the act of switching the default OS from Windows Vista to Windows XP took me several trial and error attempts, and even then it didn't work properly. I'm sure I'll finish climbing the learning curve, but why the heck would Microsoft do this? Why not just encrypt the file and make it accessible only to users with admin privileges who know the Administrator password? Why make the tool for editing the file as arcane as DOS or Linux?

    On most of my test machines, I run Windows XP in drive C:, create a new partition, and then install the latest Windows Vista beta in the new partition. Windows Vista, like Windows XP and Windows 2000 before it, automatically sets up the multiboot configuration during installation so that both operating systems are accessible. When I'm ready to install the next beta, I simply boot to Windows XP and change the multiboot configuration to default to XP. Then I use a utility to delete the Vista partition, recreate it, and reformat it as an NTFS drive. Then I install the new version.

    With Vista's new way of managing the multiboot script — which has been in place since the October CTP — Windows XP's boot.ini file can't control Vista at all. The Vista way of doing this trumps the XP way of doing it. Even if you entirely delete the Vista volume, as I described in the previous paragraph, you'll still see the Vista version of the multiboot screen when you boot your machine, and your Windows XP boot.ini file goes totally ignored.

    How is that possible? Simple. Microsoft has placed a new "boot" folder on your root drive. The bcdedit utility stores data in this folder. As it stands in the December CTP, I found that to solve the problem of uninstalling a Vista build and returning to the Windows XP default boot configuration, I started by editing the Windows XP boot.ini file, making XP the default entry (and deleting the Vista entry). Then I simply deleted the c:\boot directory added by Vista. Then I followed the steps above, deleting, recreating, and reformatting the Vista partition. It adds a simple step.

    Overall, the new way of managing boot script data seems overly complex and not particularly secure. Hey utility programmers! I see an opportunity for a GUI program that makes the Vista boot data as easy to edit as it was under previous versions of Windows. Perhaps you could add some encryption too?

    END QUOTE

    There is a nifty program out called "VistaBootPro" that I think might be of some interest to you. Check it out here: http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,64564/description.html

    QUOTE:

    Control how Windows Vista boots with this easy-to-use tool.

    Want to change how Windows Vista boots? Ordinarily you'd have to learn the ins and outs of the incomprehensible BCDEdit command-line tool. But this simple, graphical program lets you master Windows Vista boot-up and startup without ever touching dreaded BCDEdit.

    END QUOTE:

    -MRG

  •  04-13-2007, 1:02 PM 22701 in reply to 21992

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    MRG:

    Have you set the  jumper on the drives?

    SATA Drive 1 (WinXP) Jumper set to - MASTER

    SATA Drive 2 (Vista) Jumper set to - SLAVE

    SATA drives don't have a Master or Slave jumper.  

  •  04-13-2007, 1:35 PM 22741 in reply to 22701

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    Majestic:
    MRG:

    Have you set the  jumper on the drives?

    SATA Drive 1 (WinXP) Jumper set to - MASTER

    SATA Drive 2 (Vista) Jumper set to - SLAVE

    SATA drives don't have a Master or Slave jumper.  

    Doh! You are right. I was thinking regular ATA.

    Thanks for catching that. Yes

    -MRG 

  •  07-22-2007, 6:07 PM 114849 in reply to 22741

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    I have mines on  XP/Vista. Dual boot is great.
  •  07-30-2007, 8:07 PM 123332 in reply to 114849

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    Right now, I am dual booting xp and vista, although I am having the problem with 2 separate drives. I am too lazy to figure it out, so I end up having to manually boot to xp if I want to use it(which I only do for video encoding and eventually gaming when my job ends). Vista is nice, but XP is still very useful when you run into compatibility issues with Vista(which you will).
  •  08-02-2007, 4:33 AM 125515 in reply to 22701

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    You can set boot order in bios.

     His problem is that he basically has two separately installed OS's that were configured separately then put together into one box.

     Put your XP drive in, wipe the Vista drive and reinstall vista from within XP.  Read the other posts here about the step by steps of how to set it up dual/multi-boot.

     Basically, install them oldest to newest, windows then linux.

  •  08-04-2007, 1:51 AM 127527 in reply to 21768

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    Another option that will cause less problems is to switch the power on and off to the drives.  Many ways to do this electronically or mechanically, and you don't get into the mistahVISTA boot nightmare.

     

    But in any case, unless you have a lot of time and expertise, I would never do it as a master slave ( or with SATA, the first and second drive ) arrangement with vista. 

     
     

  •  08-04-2007, 5:39 AM 127562 in reply to 127527

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    I have been dual booting XP and Vista on customers systems for a while now.  It is defiantly better than just having Vista as many people aren't that good with Vista yet.  But as people have been saying its much easier to do it all on one drive.

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  •  08-04-2007, 10:25 AM 127721 in reply to 125515

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    MissionX:
    …install them oldest to newest, windows then linux.

    Now, that’s a useful comment. I just would add, that you have to partition disk before installing Win 98, cause it doesn’t have (useful) partitioning utility in a distro and takes up the whole drive.

    I didn’t try this with Vista yet, so I am not aware of any complications involved, but routinely I do it so:

    First run Linux installation CD to partition the drive (Partitioning utilities in major distros are much easier to use and more powerful than ghetto stuff that comes with XP.). I create partitions for OS installations and one or more separate partitions for data, to separate it from system partition to have some degree of protection in case it crashes. Keep in mind that Linux doesn’t understand treats NTFS as read-only and you’ll need to format one of them as FAT, so it would be accessible to all Windows versions and your Linux distro(s) should you need to share files between them.

    Then I install Win 98 on first partition and XP on second. It should be noted that while I am not sure now, but I think you have to have Win 98 on first partition otherwise it wouldn’t work. Somebody should correct me on this or confirm.

    And after that I install Linux and configure boot loader on the boot partition (Aha, and it also have a swap partition, what did M$ think?). I’m curious if it is possible to configure boot loader without having Linux installed to give poor Windows users fancyful customizable graphical bootloader (Once again, did Vista strip us from one of the reminders of good ’ol DOS days or its boot loader as bland and minimalistic as it was some odd 20 years before?).
  •  08-05-2007, 9:11 AM 128348 in reply to 15357

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    Can I use this same method to also set up a third OS, like Linux?
  •  08-06-2007, 5:19 PM 129703 in reply to 128348

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    tjinlv:
    Can I use this same method to also set up a third OS, like Linux?

    Read my post above. I have Win 98, Win XP and 2 flavours of Linux (SUSE and Fedora) installed on one 100GB HDD.
  •  08-08-2007, 12:21 PM 131394 in reply to 129703

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    Was wondering if anyone had any suggestions about how to go about setting up the XP/Vista dual boot with two raptor drives in RAID 0.  Should I just set up a drive for OS/Apps and one for data?  Any suggestions would be awesome.
  •  08-16-2007, 11:41 AM 137725 in reply to 131394

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    From recent personal experience, don't do a RAID 0.  It is an expensive recovery should one of the drives crash.  If you must have "better" performance than a single Raptor drive can give you, use a RAID 10 or 0+1.
  •  08-20-2007, 11:04 PM 140927 in reply to 137725

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    I also have XP-Vista  dual boot!  DO NOT EVER  EVER -NEVER EVER MOVE YOUR PAGE FILES TO THE SAME PARTITION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! both OS's will Die!!
  •  08-21-2007, 6:18 PM 141699 in reply to 21992

    Re: Dual Boot WinXP and Vista

    I read someplace that with Vista, Vista has to be installed first and than the earlier OS.

    I am also wondering whether it makes a difference if you install vista32 or vista64 with xp.

    I just bought a notebook that came with vista ultimate 64 and I have found that other than MS office, I cannot, or better said should not install any of my applications as they do not get allong too well with vista64. When they talk about vista they mostly mean vista32, but they are not that specific. Even MS is guilty of that. So at the moment I am still trying to learn vista, but once I am beyond that what then? I mostly use adobe and they are not that cheap.

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