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Last post 02-27-2008, 6:00 PM by Tracer76. 114 replies.
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  •  05-03-2007, 9:00 AM 44402

    New PC build and Needing Advice

    I am currently building a new pc and this is what I'm looking at right now:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121059- Intel BLKD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard -$229.99  -(ALREADY PURCHASED)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119114 - COOLER MASTER Mystique RC-632-SSN1-GP Silver Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case -$109.99 - 40.00 MIR (ALREADY PURCHASED)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor 296.00 @ Frys (ALREADY PURCHASED)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817256009  - SILVERSTONE ST75F ATX12V / EPS12V 750W Power Supply 115 - 240V - Retail (ALREADY PURCHASED) $159.99

    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148288 - Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (ALREADY PURCHASED) 109.99

    Already have a Seagate 80GB hard drive but its IDE :( - (OS Drive)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145176 - CORSAIR XMS2 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) (ALREADY PURCHASED) 219.99 (Fry's)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150232 - XFX PVT80FSHE9 GeForce 8800GTX Extreme 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 (ALREADY PURCHASED) 439.99

    ~Anything else i'm forgeting?

    *** Just ADDED ***

    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827136120 - LG Electronics Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 10X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with 12X DVD-RAM Write - OEM (ALREADY PURCHASED) 28.99

    I would like any suggestions/recomendations that might make this a better build.  I  am however looking to build this with a somewhat reasonable amount of cash, nothing over 2K preferably.  As far as video cards go I would like to run SLI or crossfire but I would like to have Dx 10, the game plan right now is only to buy one card at a time so the second video card would probably happend around december. 

    Also i dont know anything about overclocking, but would like some info on that :)

     

    ~Thanks a bunch

    TempestKing



  •  05-03-2007, 9:15 AM 44420 in reply to 44402

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    What with the memory are you not sure about?  Is it too expensive?  Will you really need the 2 extra slots for memory in the future?   At the moment, 2GB strips are just too much, and the Latency and timing are fairly high.  From what I understand, most 32-bit apps can't even take advantage of 4GB.  You might be better off getting gig strips.

    As for the video cards, it depends on if the 2K is for the whole project (2x video cards) or just for the one at the moment.  You've got about $1100 there in parts, which leaves you either $450 or so per Video Card, or $900 or so for one (though this might get expensive with the second VC).  I usually stick w/ nVidia, right now running dual 8800GTX (beautiful!), but that's about $1200 total.  So it really depends on the first sentence...

    Good luck, though. :)

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  •  05-03-2007, 9:54 AM 44471 in reply to 44420

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    TheLarrikin:
    What with the memory are you not sure about?  Is it too expensive?  Will you really need the 2 extra slots for memory in the future?   At the moment, 2GB strips are just too much, and the Latency and timing are fairly high.  From what I understand, most 32-bit apps can't even take advantage of 4GB.  You might be better off getting gig strips.

    As for the video cards, it depends on if the 2K is for the whole project (2x video cards) or just for the one at the moment.  You've got about $1100 there in parts, which leaves you either $450 or so per Video Card, or $900 or so for one (though this might get expensive with the second VC).  I usually stick w/ nVidia, right now running dual 8800GTX (beautiful!), but that's about $1200 total.  So it really depends on the first sentence...

    Good luck, though. :)

    Well im trying to do 2K for the whole thing to clarify my intentions.  And truthfuly i dont know enough about memory to understand latency... more info please :)  And if i go for 2 x 1gb sticks any recomendations?



  •  05-03-2007, 12:19 PM 44577 in reply to 44471

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    Quick question is a 600W power supply good enough?

    And should i look into after market fans and cooling?



  •  05-03-2007, 12:23 PM 44584 in reply to 44471

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    This is a really nice video card, esp. in dual SLi.  (Runs around $400 at the moment)  It's a step below what I run.

    And Latency is how long the computer has to wait to get memory from the RAM.  It's the '5-5-5-12'.  The lower each of these numbers, the better. Staying within budget, of course.

    Hope this helps!

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  •  05-03-2007, 12:34 PM 44589 in reply to 44584

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    There will be a 8800 Ultra relesed now. Its for the Crysis engine game that is comming out.

     

    Here is a link to all the NVIDIA 8 Series http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html


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  •  05-03-2007, 6:24 PM 44805 in reply to 44589

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    4 Gigabytes of memory is completely unnecessary. 2 gigabytes, 3 at the maximum will be completely sufficient for today's and tomorrow's (foreseeable) applications. The following is a list I've been updating for some time now, intending to buy it myself soon, so you can be assured I have "done my homework". : D  Adding a second 8800GTX to this rig would be great. Warning, however, shortly after Crysis is released, the 9000 series will be out ^^.The case is naturally your own decision. Check my sig!

     
    Case- XCLIO A380BK Fully Black High Gloss Finish SECC 1.0mm thickness ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010
    $106.99

    Proc- Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Conroe 2.13GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 @3600MHZ (400x9)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115016
    $189.00

    Mobo-ASUS P5N-E SLI 650i
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131142
    $139.99

    Power Supply-OCZ GameXStream 700W
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002
    $124.99

    Memory-  WINTEC AMPX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161030
    $94.99

    Video- EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130072
    $529.99

    Hard Drive-Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148140
    $79.99

    Optical Drive-SONY Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 1 8X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131038
    $29.99

    CPU Cooling- COOLER MASTER AQUAGATE VIVA RL-M4A-E7E1-GP Liquid Cooling System
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103017
    $59.99

    Card Reader- LINKSKEY LKA-CR15B 19-in-1 USB 2.0 Black Card Reader/Writer
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820300901
    $12.99

    Cold Cathode- LOGISYS Computer CLK12BL 12" Cold Cathode kit - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16800888026
    $3.69+3.69@ $7.38

     $1376.29

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    OS-Vista Home Premium OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202
    $111.99

    Monitor- SCEPTRE X22WG-1080p Black 22" 2ms(GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2000:1
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112009
    $249.99

     

    $1738.27
     

     

     

     

     


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  •  05-03-2007, 6:44 PM 44821 in reply to 44805

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    As for Vista I would do 3 Gigs of RAM. If you want a gaming rig then use Windows XP Pro uses a lot less RAM and more stable for driver support and service packs. Below are some links to problems with Vista that alot of people are seeing. the second link has other links there to a magazine on why not to upgrade or get vista till SP1

    http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/34336.aspx

    http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/13736.aspx

    10 Annoying Vista Problems

    1. Lack of available drivers from ISVs causing application conflicts;

    2. Lack of available drivers for existing and new peripherals and hardware components;

    3. Buggy drivers;

    4. New security feature often flags existing applications as suspicious and interrupts service;

    5. Few applications aside from Vista and Office 2007 take advantage of user account control;

    6. Customers are confused by Office 2007's ribbon-like user interface;

    7. The OS automatically recommends which Vista versions is best for each PC's configuration. This will cause small businesses to download different versions of Vista;

    8. Benefits of Vista and Office 2007 running together are not obvious. Partners and IT staff need training for maximum ROI;

    9. Deployment isn't easy. Partners should use either Business Desktop Deployment tool, "lite" BDD no-charge tool or other tools;

    10. Hardware doesn't run Windows Vista well.


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  •  05-04-2007, 7:09 AM 45139 in reply to 44805

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    NinjaStrike:

    4 Gigabytes of memory is completely unnecessary. 2 gigabytes, 3 at the maximum will be completely sufficient for today's and tomorrow's (foreseeable) applications. The following is a list I've been updating for some time now, intending to buy it myself soon, so you can be assured I have "done my homework". : D  Adding a second 8800GTX to this rig would be great. Warning, however, shortly after Crysis is released, the 9000 series will be out ^^.The case is naturally your own decision. Check my sig!


    Case- XCLIO A380BK Fully Black High Gloss Finish SECC 1.0mm thickness ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010
    $106.99

    Proc- Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Conroe 2.13GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 @3600MHZ (400x9)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115016
    $189.00

    Mobo-ASUS P5N-E SLI 650i
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131142
    $139.99

    Power Supply-OCZ GameXStream 700W
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002
    $124.99

    Memory-  WINTEC AMPX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161030
    $94.99

    Video- EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130072
    $529.99

    Hard Drive-Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148140
    $79.99

    Optical Drive-SONY Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 1 8X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131038
    $29.99

    CPU Cooling- COOLER MASTER AQUAGATE VIVA RL-M4A-E7E1-GP Liquid Cooling System
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103017
    $59.99

    Card Reader- LINKSKEY LKA-CR15B 19-in-1 USB 2.0 Black Card Reader/Writer
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820300901
    $12.99

    Cold Cathode- LOGISYS Computer CLK12BL 12" Cold Cathode kit - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16800888026
    $3.69+3.69@ $7.38

     $1376.29

    **************
    OS-Vista Home Premium OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202
    $111.99

    Monitor- SCEPTRE X22WG-1080p Black 22" 2ms(GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2000:1
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112009
    $249.99

     

    $1738.27
     

     

     

     

     

     Hey i just bought that same monitor :)



  •  05-04-2007, 7:16 AM 45143 in reply to 44589

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    In Dual SLi, I doubt there would be any noticeable difference, other than maybe running in 2560 x 1600 with all the pizzaz at 85/fps instead of 72/fps.  Hardly a noticeable difference.

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  •  05-04-2007, 8:07 AM 45185 in reply to 45143

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    I am going to start off with just one video card, and then if i need to or want to in december i may go buy the second card and go sli mode.  Thats the plan for now i guess.  How much power should i be looking at from my power supply?


  •  05-04-2007, 8:09 AM 45186 in reply to 45143

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    As of now there is bery little difference in Dual SLI only 3-5 FPS more. and able to run 4 monitors only needed when playing MS flight sim 2004 - X.

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  •  05-04-2007, 8:15 AM 45190 in reply to 45186

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    Im definitly starting to lean to one top of the line GPU instead of sli, so is it true that one really good GPU will be better than 2 in sli mode?  I saw somewhere in the forums that I could get 80-85% boost from sli mode....is this false?


  •  05-04-2007, 8:22 AM 45200 in reply to 45190

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    You will not get a whole lot more FPS, but what will coccure where the 80% -85% is on the shader and very little bottlenecking on the core. It will help with the picture quality on the games. AA and all that fun stuff will help in SLI, but no one has ever seen a big diffrance in the FPS.

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  •  05-04-2007, 8:30 AM 45205 in reply to 45185

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    600-850 should be fine for your PSU, but I'd lean towards the 850, esp. if you are ever going to want to upgrade anything, add liquid cooling, extra fans, etc.

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  •  05-04-2007, 8:33 AM 45207 in reply to 45200

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    I'm running games like Oblivion at 1920x1200 with antialiasing, antistropic filtering and vsync all at a constant >65fps.  No lag, no bottlenecks.

    And you can only run two monitors in SLi mode.  If you take off the SLi bridge, then you can utilise four monitors.  I don't see how that is even necessary, though.  But that's just me.

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  •  05-04-2007, 8:40 AM 45212 in reply to 45190

    Re: New PC build and Needing Advice

    I'm a little confused by what you're staying.  Do you mean a separate GPU as in 'not on the graphics card'?

    SLi is pretty much (in simple terms) set up so one card renders the top half of the screen, and the other card renders the bottom half.  Now, it's not quite half the 'screen', per se, but half the data.  Like about 50% apeice.  If you have your cards in SLi, and one of them malfunctions, on the top or bottom half of the screen, you'll see lines going across.  So it's basically 'half the screen', give or take.  There is a considerable increase in quality when in SLi mode, but it also depends on your card.  I don't know if that answered your question or not (if I understood it correctly), but it's all I have. :)

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  •  05-04-2007, 8:40 AM 45213 in reply to 45207

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