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New Network

Last post 06-14-2008, 1:17 PM by zx10guy. 10 replies.
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  •  06-13-2008, 1:33 PM 337743

    New Network

    Ok I am looking to build a new in house network and want to goto fiber. Would someone be so kind to point me in the right direction as to what type of switch to get as well as network cards and cable and maybe even router not that I really need that but would be nice. I would really appreciate it. Thx's

    http://www.xsessive.com

  •  06-13-2008, 2:13 PM 337767 in reply to 337743

    Re: New Network

    Jeesh, do you have money to burn? Heh. I'd go Cat6 all throughout.

  •  06-13-2008, 2:17 PM 337774 in reply to 337767

    Re: New Network

    Like I stated above i'm looking for fiber not cat6 been there done that old news Thx's

    http://www.xsessive.com

  •  06-13-2008, 5:36 PM 337906 in reply to 337774

    Re: New Network

    I have to agree with Sergei.  Unless you have a real compelling reason to use fiber then I would highly recommend the Cat5e/6 route.  I've done quite a few network deployments at work over fiber and it's not something that I would recommend for a home situation.  The fiber is expensive, the fiber switches are expensive, and the fiber network cards are expensive.  One project I'm working on has a huge budget...read using Cisco Catalyst 6500 switches.  Even this project decided to trim the use of fiber because of the expense.
  •  06-13-2008, 11:45 PM 338091 in reply to 337906

    Re: New Network

    Do people not understand what I am saying or do I need to talk to them as they are 5 years old. I did not ask what you suggest as far as cat5 or 6 i'm asking for people's help as what product's I should get and use to go the fiber way? Now for the people that don't understand what i'm saying then maybe you should not reply if you do not have any good info to give me for the stuff that I am looking for. To anyone that is willing to help I thank you in advance, and to those that don't please just don't reply and waste my time then. Thx's and have a great day.

    http://www.xsessive.com

  •  06-14-2008, 6:43 AM 338195 in reply to 338091

    Re: New Network

    Normally, I wouldn't respond back to a reply like this but after reading another one of your posts in the DSL or cable thread I figure what the heck.  I was waiting to see if you had a VALID reason for using fiber and so far there's nothing other than what seems to me to be some sort of ego trip to brag that you have fiber run in the house.  You came here to ask for help and part of that help is if people see that you might be going the wrong direction to give advice to the contrary.  But yeah, you're right because I don't understand both the attitude and the reason why you're doing this project.  But because I don't understand then any advice I would give you wouldn't mean much to you despite having worked with fiber for many years.  It seems like you have everything under control so good luck.
  •  06-14-2008, 6:51 AM 338198 in reply to 338091

    Re: New Network

    don't bother posting here if your gonna be a bit** about it ... were all just trying to help here

  •  06-14-2008, 10:40 AM 338266 in reply to 338198

    Re: New Network

    Hey i'm not trying to be an a-- about it I just thought these forums were to help people. At least that's the way it was when they first opened when I came here things might have changed since. Now it seems people are telling me what I should use and all that c**p. If I wanted to hear that I would goto Frys Electronics to where no one know's what the heck they are talking about. Instead I came here trying to find someone that would be kind enough to give me some links to some good stuff that might work for me.

     

    The reason I wanted to switch to fiber is that I deal with gigs upon gigs of stuff everyday and the CAT6 just doesn't seem to be going fast enough for me it just seems like it would transfer alot faster for CAT6 but idk maybe it's just me. Anyways if no one wants to help on these support forums i'll just find another site that will. Maybe i'll just start going over to clubit and looking there and buying all my stuff through them as well as they seem to help me when I have a problem.


    http://www.xsessive.com

  •  06-14-2008, 12:29 PM 338319 in reply to 338266

    Re: New Network

    Well, finally, we get an answer as to why you think fiber is the better alternative.  I'll tell you this, CAT6 is not the problem you had with your past file transfer issues.  On some of the enterprise networks I've worked on, we have NAS units which have terrabytes of data transfering to large Sun servers without issues.  Either the hardware you used for CAT6 was defective, not configured correctly, or just was poor quality, I don't know.  Or if your cable terminations were bad or if the PCs/servers you have are not configured correctly.  But CAT6 is more then capable of keeping up with Gigabit transfers.  Again going to fiber isn't the fix for this.  Fiber is just another medium.  GigE over fiber is the same as GigE over copper.  Some of the reasons fiber is used in a business situation is if distance or security is an issue.  There's no coincidence that the only fiber ports you find on mainstream switches are confined to uplinks which are meant for backbone connections where distance usually comes in to play with campus network build outs.  If you think you can find transfer speeds greater than GigE over fiber, good luck.  The only places you'll see this is in specific network gear and SANs.  If you still find performance an issue after ensuring everything else is optimized, you can aggregate CAT6 GigE links to achieve faster throughput...of course with some caveats.

    And this is info I doubt you'll get from anyone at Frys.  Plus for the record, many of us here don't work for NewEgg which includes me.  So I posted the information I did as proof that I'm not being an a**, but myself or others on here are not going to just sit here taking verbal abuse from you when you're the one asking for help.

  •  06-14-2008, 12:52 PM 338329 in reply to 338319

    Re: New Network

    Thank you for your time I will lookn into seeing if maybe there is a problem with any of the hardware or something else. Right now i'm using both the onboard Nic cards which are 10/100/1000 maybe i'll switch them both to actual cards and see if that goes anywhere first. Again thx's for your time.

    http://www.xsessive.com

  •  06-14-2008, 1:17 PM 338344 in reply to 338329

    Re: New Network

    Depending on how the onboard NIC interfaces with the motherboard, this might be the issue for you.  Many onboard NICs hang off of the old 32 bit PCI bus.  The issue here is if you have other devices which are using the PCI bus, the GigE NIC is going to have to fight for the available bandwidth.  If I really need true GigE speeds, I use a quality card based NIC and not an onboard unit unless there's some assurance the onboard unit is a quality setup (ie on many server implementations.)  I would look into getting a PCI-e based NIC and see if this solves your problem.  If you are transfering large files, you should also look into your disk subsystem to ensure the bottle neck isn't because the hard drive isn't keeping up with the GigE network.  This would be a good situation to go into a good RAID based setup.

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