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What to look for when putting a build together

Last post 12-27-2008, 12:50 AM by BenShami. 40 replies.
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  •  06-25-2008, 3:10 AM 345441 in reply to 306730

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    A GOOD Power Supply is a must.


  •  06-25-2008, 4:26 PM 345803 in reply to 345441

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    Update to my earlier post: I've now have two 8600 GTs in SLI on the MSI mobo, and I've had no trouble with it. Runs great and easy to install

    Intel Q6600, MSI P6N 650i
    2x1gb OCZ DDR2 800 RAM
    Sapphire Radeon 4870 512mb
    1x112gb Samsung, 1x320gb WD, 1x160gb WD
    1xDVD/CD RW drive
    PC Power & Cooling 750W PSU
    Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty Champion sound card
    Logitech Z-560 THX 4.1 speakers
    NZXT Zero case (fans: 7x120mm, 1x80mm)
    Logitech G5 laser gaming mouse
    Asus VW222U 22" 2ms monitor
  •  06-27-2008, 9:25 AM 346798 in reply to 345441

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    specialist:
    A GOOD Power Supply is a must.

    yeah can't stress that enough.


  •  07-16-2008, 8:10 PM 358684 in reply to 346798

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    The first post in this series caught my eye.  I did a build with an Asus barebones and it would not power up but for about 1 second then die for 5-6 seconds, then spin the fans again for a second then again out cold for 5-6 seconds and so on and so on.  Is this indicative of a bios that needs a flash with an older processor in order to install the new    E8400 Wolfdale?  The barebones is a V3-P5G33 Asus.  I am short on patience, so after two hours of pulling out new parts and getting the same results, I took it to the local computer shop.  They informed me, 3 days later, that the Intel E8400 Wolfdale 3.0 was DOA.  They had swapped CPU's and the whole system had fired up fine.  I never thought to ask if they had tested the new CPU.  Now that I am reading this forum, I am wondering if the bios was the problem.  I am already in the RMA process with Newegg.  I will post the results when I hear from the tech.
  •  07-17-2008, 10:17 AM 358906 in reply to 358684

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    Boeing777:
    The first post in this series caught my eye.  I did a build with an Asus barebones and it would not power up but for about 1 second then die for 5-6 seconds, then spin the fans again for a second then again out cold for 5-6 seconds and so on and so on.  Is this indicative of a bios that needs a flash with an older processor in order to install the new    E8400 Wolfdale?  The barebones is a V3-P5G33 Asus.  I am short on patience, so after two hours of pulling out new parts and getting the same results, I took it to the local computer shop.  They informed me, 3 days later, that the Intel E8400 Wolfdale 3.0 was DOA.  They had swapped CPU's and the whole system had fired up fine.  I never thought to ask if they had tested the new CPU.  Now that I am reading this forum, I am wondering if the bios was the problem.  I am already in the RMA process with Newegg.  I will post the results when I hear from the tech.

    Part of the problem with custom-building a computer yourself is that it's possible parts will be DOA. If that's the case, you can RMA it for a new one and only pay for shipping out from your end. This is why some people avoid OEM parts; they're more likely to be DOA, and people don't like having to go through RMAing a product. But that's what makes up the difference in price between a retail and an OEM product: the possibility of having a busted part.

    But in your case, was the system POSTing? Because if it doesn't POST, then it could be a BIOS issue. When you get your new CPU, if it doesn't work, try resetting the BIOS by pulling out (carefully) the CMOS battery, leaving it out for 10 seconds, then replacing it, making sure that the proper side is up/down. If there is a BIOS issue, resetting it should do the trick. I think "flashing," as you called it, is something else.


    Intel Q6600, MSI P6N 650i
    2x1gb OCZ DDR2 800 RAM
    Sapphire Radeon 4870 512mb
    1x112gb Samsung, 1x320gb WD, 1x160gb WD
    1xDVD/CD RW drive
    PC Power & Cooling 750W PSU
    Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty Champion sound card
    Logitech Z-560 THX 4.1 speakers
    NZXT Zero case (fans: 7x120mm, 1x80mm)
    Logitech G5 laser gaming mouse
    Asus VW222U 22" 2ms monitor
  •  07-19-2008, 11:26 AM 359784 in reply to 358906

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    I wanted to expand on the power supply information given. If you are going to have a high end system, make sure that you have enough amperage for everything that is going to be installed in your build. If you find a psu with one 12V rail make sure it has at least 30-40 amps. If you find a psu with two 12V rails make sure they are dived equally and have at least 15-20 amps.

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  •  08-06-2008, 1:21 PM 369646 in reply to 359784

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    There are definitely a lot of good suggestions here. I think I'm going to add a little bit of two sense here.

     

    1. It's been mentioned a lot, but computers are only as good as the parts you buy - if you buy quality, brand-name parts, you will find that your experience (in the long run) will tend to be more stable and you will experience fewer earthshattering issues. If you skimp on parts, you get what you paid for (most of the time). There is nothing wrong with some of the cheaper brands...except that you run more risks. Even good brands c**p out...so don't fret it if it does happen (ruins the experience)

    2. Be patient. Your first build is not going to be a GOD machine (thought you might get lucky...I had a pretty good one...after two years, it was still hanging with the mid to high end machines DELL was selling. Try to avoid shooting for overclocking on your first machine (at least wait until after you build it to worry about it). Too many people try to jump straight into the overclocking before they've even had the experience of building a stable and working machine. It can easily ruin your experience (man...I sound like some grumpy old guy telling some teenager to slow down...must be cuz I'm getting old at 22).

    3. THERE'S A REASON IT'S CALLED A MOTHERBOARD!!!!!! Don't even think on skimping on this piece of hardware. Look at the specs. There are more integrated features and hardware in a motherboard than in ANYTHING else on your computer. Don't be an i***t. Buy a good motherboard. Read reviews. If you have never built a system before, do as others have said before in this thread...read the negative reviews. Look for the technical reviews where someone explains the problem (the single-egg posts are worthless if they are written just because the board was DOA...that comes from an impatient kid who is just p****d off. It won't help you judge a board). Another thing you may want to strongly consider on your first build is buying a MOBO that's a couple months out of the door. That gives the manufacturer plenty of time to RMA all the bad boards and fix driver issues (Obviously, if the board has had LOTS of driver issues, you just might want to avoid it altogether).

    4. Backbone parts - Without the backbone/supportive parts of a PC, your CPU is useless. Get an AWESOME power supply (but don't spend $1000 on one...give mommy her credit card back). Make sure the power supply you buy has REALLY high ratings. Maybe even take the time to see if Tom's Hardware, HardOCP, AnandTech or other hardware reviewers have checked it out. Your power supply is worth every penny you put into it.

    5. So is a good case and fans. My favorite case that I own is my Thermaltake Armor (whichever the original one was with the 25cm fan). I don't even use the 25cm fan because it stays cool without the fan as it has four others that work GREAT. It's been the best $50 dollar investment I've ever made, especially since I got it on special, with a rebate, and the prices for Thermaltake Armor cases have stayed pretty much the same since.

    6. Next, choose good memory. Also, make sure you have enough memory. Applications are rarely processor-bound nowadays (that's the technical term for "You don't need a fast processor as much anymore to get the same performance"). Programs now are extremely memory-intensive. Now that so much is written in Java, (*cough)memory leaks(*cough), and scripting languages, and since graphics is screaming for more memory all the time, it is imperative that you buy LOTS of good memory. Don't waste your money buying the latest and greatest memory unless you have built before (no matter how much you think you know about computers, it all changes when YOU are the one maintaining that fine balance between barely-working parts and a smooth-operating, well-oiled machine).

    7. The CPU is the last thing you should worry about building a machine. Obviously there is some sort of balance between a good processor and the rest of the equipment, but you can get away with a slow processor and you'll still have a fast machine. Don't buy some screaming processor thinking that it is the most important part of your computer. Make sure you surround the processor with quality parts. In fact, you should collect those parts first because the CPU is rarely the bottleneck.

    8. Research. Once you think you know what you want to buy, Look at reviews for every part. Make sure that they all have GREAT reviews. If so, knock yourself silly. If not, you may want to revamp your blueprints.

    9. Don'y underestimate brand affinity. While not always the case and definitely not a hard and fast rule, you may find that, often, parts from the same company just seem to have that mysterious quality that they just work together well. Nobody really knows why...except maybe the people with too much time on their hands...but buying an intel board for an intel processor just makes sense. Buying AMD/ATI stuff seems to work well (in fact, I am personally of the opinion that AMD/ATI stuff just works smoothly without quite as many hiccups...the parts seem to like each other).

     

    I got lucky on my first build...I did my homework and my computer meshed together well. I had a buddy that built his first computer about the same time I did and he wasn't so lucky. your first experience will vary, but don't be disheartened.

  •  08-19-2008, 6:31 AM 376845 in reply to 230246

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    peach:
    Truth is everyone loves to talk about expensive stuff like Tri SLI of an 880Ultra, but when they actually do build, what do they skimp on?  Power supply, RAM, and motherboard - in that order

    funny thing is that they skimp on ram, only getting 1 or 2gb, then moan, whine, and complain saying its the OS's fault or that SLI sucks when they can't play games very well due to having too little ram :P

     can have the fastest cpu and best graphics setup in the world, but if you only have 512mb or 1gb of ram, gaming will suffer.


    Mobo: Asus P5N32-E | CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @2.4GHz | PSU: Coolmax 650watt
    Case: Lian-Li PC-V2100plusII | OS: XP Professional - 64bit | Monitors: Dual 19" Hanns-G 2ms LCDs
    HDs: 3x320gb, 3x500gb, 2x750GB | Disc Drives: 16x DL dvd +/- rw
    Ram: 6 gb ddr2 | GPU: 640MB GeForce 8800GTS
  •  08-19-2008, 7:06 AM 376858 in reply to 306730

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    tfox2k1:

    Another little tip:

    I tend to buy my case and power supply a few months or weeks before I do my build.   Several reasons for this.   First I watch Newegg for great sales on either a case or power supply.   Since those two items don't really depreciate while sitting around, I'm not throwing money away as I would if I had a CPU, GPU, etc sitting around unused while their price drops.    Typically cases and power supplies dont have as much depreciation as other computer hard ware.

    This allows me to spend more at once on the other items that are more time sensitive due to depreciation.   Then I don't have as much stress when I get the credit card statement.  I can afford high quality stuff.    Bit easier to do the build when the final parts all arrive and the case/power supply is already configured.

    Wow, I was quoted and brought back to this thread.  I hadn't read it in some time.  I breezed over it.  Theres a lot of the same old info being restated over and over, but I thought Tfox had one of the best recommendations I have read in a while.  It makes total sense.  It is very helpful sometimes to divide up the expense of a new computer, and the PS and case ARE the least likely to be usurped buy new tech.  Safe purchases, and even better if hawked for a good price over month or so.  Brilliant suggestion mate!

    And as another note, if you are spacing out your purchases due to different vendors with different shipping times, don't get stuck with everything but the motherboard.  You end up staring at $2k worth of parts you can't do anything with until FedEx/UPS shows up, and everyday he comes with your brothers new pellet gun or sisters Amazon book order, you end up greeting him like he's a pusher and your wigging out on crack.

    Cheers ya'll!  and good luck with your systems!


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  •  09-18-2008, 11:11 AM 394014 in reply to 227585

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    sparker366:

    5: Tri SLI is reserved for the 8800 GTX and 8800 Ultra cards

     

    as well as the 9800 GTX now 


    Dual or Quad?
  •  09-18-2008, 12:24 PM 394076 in reply to 394014

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    As well as NVIDIA's current 200 Series lineup, the GTX 260 and the GTX 280...Big Smile

    Respectfully,

    PROACEX1


    To build a PC or to not build a PC, that is a stupid question...An obvious one too...

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  •  11-06-2008, 11:17 PM 418939 in reply to 394076

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    Great information in this thread...

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  •  11-21-2008, 10:08 AM 427582 in reply to 418939

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    kenpan:
    Great information in this thread...

    Indeed there is!



  •  11-22-2008, 1:07 AM 428033 in reply to 427582

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH.

     

  •  12-08-2008, 2:16 PM 438643 in reply to 227585

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    I'm REALLY glad I found this forum and read this thread.  I purchased a new case with power supply included, mobo, DVD burner, hard drives, memory and CPU and was all excited about my first build.  I had not read anything about power supplies being such a critical component, I just assumed more wattage was better and didn't give it a second thought.  Now I've done some research and bought a new PSU and will be disposing of the one that came with my case.  I bought a semi-barebones system just 3 years ago which died on me (case also came with a PSU, hmmm...) and decided to start fresh with high-quality components so that I won't have to rebuild for at least 4-5 years. 

    My system:
    Mobo: ASRock A780FullDisplayPort
    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz <---will use the stock heatsink and monitor temp, upgrade if necessary
    Memory:  Kingston 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (x2)
    HDD:  Maxtor MaxLine Plus II 250GB SATA Hard Drive 7Y250M0 (x2, RAID 1)
    PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer S61EPS 610W 
    Case: RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WBP, included 500W PSU replaced with the above mentioned PSU
    SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F
    Win XP Pro 32 bit SP3

    Will follow up here when everything arrives from Newegg and I have it up & running!  Would welcome any suggestions.

  •  12-27-2008, 12:50 AM 451479 in reply to 227585

    Re: What to look for when putting a build together

    Biggest problem Ive seen so far is miss matched memory both speed to fsb ratios and ddr miss matches, and I've even seen advice givers with miss matched memory on their machine stats....also problems with memory voltage limitations on motherboards where the builder failed to read the spec for the board.... a note on psu's .. the specs on these things are so iffy...even most of the manufacturer info is iffy and no one tells you just how many amps your pushing on your hardware.  I do have a question though....anyone tried one of the new i7 cpus and x58 mb yet?...they suport triple channel memory configuations... so I was wondering...the memory is running on the QPI and say your board is running with a 4.8 gt/s cpu (2400mhz) on triple channel thats a memory match at 800mhz... why would you need a board with ddr 3... being as ddr 2 is way more efficient and faster below 1500mhz than ddr 3?

    If you were running dual channel It still doesnt make sense... 1200mhz... the board also suports 6.4 gt/s (3200mhz) which only triples at 1066mhz... well under the 1500 mhz ddr 3 ceiling... so whats with that!?!

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