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AMD vs. Intel - Future finally unveiled

Well, with the release of AMD's new quadcore, dubbed Phenom, I think it is finally time for me to write up a blog detailing some pros cons, and what to expect. It appears there are some flaws with the phenom core, that when a certain sequence of code is executed while the machine is under load, it will lock the processor. This flaw was also found in early intel processors. AMD has announced that its higher end model of the phenom is delayed because of this flaw. Intel is still progressing forward with its roadmap, and we will hopefully have a new core from intel sometime in the next year or two.

AMD's new processor, phenom, fails to achieve the level of performance of the Intel counterparts, and even fails to beat the Athlon 64+ in some tests. I believe it is safe to say that AMD flopped on this processor design. This failure may also explain the reason why Hector Ruiz is being replaced, incase some of you have not heard. It doesnt look good for AMD in the graphics segment either. ATI has still not produced an answer to Nvidia's 8800 series. THe new AMD graphics chipset, the HD3800, fails to surpass the 8800 GT in most tests, which is the lower end 8800 series card.

As some of you may suspect, I believe that Intel will soon begin raising prices for some of its processors because AMD does not have a reasonable product to compete, but I believe the costs of buying a GPU and CPU together will balance out after\if intel gets their dedicated graphics card segment underway. This will hopefully introduce new competition, and drive GPU prices down why CPU prices increase, balancing the cost.

After months of anticipation, AMD fans should be ashamed of what AMD has put to the table. They tooks months upon months developing it, and still cannot outperform intel's current CORE architecture. AMD is in a world of hurt when\if intel gets its new processor off the ground with the built in memory controller.

 

UPDATE: It appears that AMD is now interested in buying Ageia, the maker of physics accelerating processors. This can only be described as a reaction to Intel's purchase of Havok. AMD will most likely plan to integrate Ageia's physics either on die of its GPU's or on the same PCB. Hopefully they dont decide to make it a dedicated card. I personally find this outlandish of AMD, considering they are bleeding money, and have no products to compete in the market, except lower end. Integration costs as well as the cost to buy the company will put AMD further into the red, and I believe hurt them even more. AMD should focus on its current status, and work to getting back into the ring with Intel and AMD to help keep prices low, and competition up.

Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2007 4:54 PM by sickofsoyo
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# November 23, 2007 2:35 AM

deadpeddle said:

Maybe im strange but i wasnt looking forward to the Phenom, wasnt looking forward to the AM2's when they came out either- Seems like AMD gets a platform started well and then kills it off way to fast-They dont really have a choice though. Guess i never really thought a company 1/6 size of Intel could compete, but they still live- Im all for AMD shaking the house and getting the company fired up on a different direction- this just isnt working.

I buy both brands so im really happy with the prices going down so far, but i dread the thought of a one brand cpu world- If i had only one choice id probably quit building.

# November 23, 2007 7:38 AM

root said:

While I agree that AMD has a huge problem, I don't think it will be the death of them. Seeing how they are purchasing another company, it shows me that they are confident in their future (or really really stupid). Better late than never. Only time will tell on this one.

# November 23, 2007 8:48 AM

PROACEX1 said:

AMD screwed up, yes, but they'll have a comeback...You can bet your Intel on it...Confident or really really stupid, I hope they know what they're doing purchasing another company..

Either that or we'd better start praying that Intel gets a monoply suit, otherwise we'll be looking at some pricy CPU's...

But, it looks like AMD should still be able to hold out for some more time, "only time will tell" is right...

That's is, until Intel's Nehalem's and NVIDIA's 9 Generation of GPU's are released...

Respectfully,

PROACEX1

# November 23, 2007 9:30 AM

Frankie07 said:

The battle seems pretty futile at this point.  If I were AMD, I would concentrate on fixing the bug they have with the new design and then make quad core processors that are smaller Mhz than Intel's.  I would make them cheaper of course and try to convince a mobo maker to create a board for supporting 2 quad cores on one board.  The battle to make a faster processor is not going to happen for AMD.  They will always be out-developed in that regard by Intel.

But, they can make their processors cheaper and allow you to use more cores on one board.  If they could do this before Intel, they might regain some market share.  It would also help to come up with better names for processors.  The naming standard for obscure titles is Intel's gig.  They need to name these things something that sounds powerful.

# November 24, 2007 12:04 AM

root said:

BTW, I mentioned you on Episode 2 of the Source. Check my vblog.

# November 24, 2007 8:28 AM

sickofsoyo said:

yes, I agree with you, they will not go away. I will give you the link where I found credible Phenom benches. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153

There are others as well, tomshardware also did an article.

The reason Im complaining about the acquisition of Ageia, is ATI was developing physics for its graphics cards, where 1 in a crossfire setup can be dedicated for physics, I dont see the need for the purchase.

The graphics card doesnt have the flaw, I hope I didnt make it sound like it did, it just does not perform on par with the 8800s, which may also be a driver issue.

The Ageia is still up in the air, I have only seen this in one place.

# November 24, 2007 9:21 AM

Edison said:

While AMD is out of the high-end for a good year or more, I think they can do well in the middle market.

Kinda sad to see them kicked from the competition but I think they will be back in the not too distant future.

My next core will be a Yorkfield but I'm counting on AMD to regain their crown by the time the Yorkfield starts to look old.

# November 25, 2007 4:19 PM

TFJ said:

Very good blog... Thanks!

# November 26, 2007 9:01 AM

sickofsoyo said:

Comments open to all now

# November 29, 2007 3:44 PM

ning said:

Thanks for the info, very well researched. ::thumbs up:: ~_^

# December 6, 2007 4:04 PM

YellowComputer said:

i think amd is a good processer brand but the best for overclock and strat performence is intel there op temp it usally always low like 23-41 degrees celceus but i have a amd game system.

# December 18, 2007 12:59 AM

Blaze051806 said:

yeah how about you Update this Threat dude. AMDs ATI 4000 cards and ROLLING Nivida in everything from Price to Performance to just having the best GPU on the market... also AMDs new Px4 line is coming out around November 08 with clocks from 2.6GHz to 2.8GHz. just because AMD goes a different direction from intel does not mean there losing some kind of holy war. also where is Nividia going to be when Intel releases there CPU/GPU combos and AMD/ATI does the same? Maybe you all should ahead a ways and realize it isn't about whos sales are booming atm. like take this for instance. rate my Quote i built that system for under 1200$ new off newegg and i push 30FPS on crysis with 4xAA and 1200p res. beet that for Bang For Buck

# September 6, 2008 3:53 AM

Blaze051806 said:

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Case - Thermaltake M9 Mid Tower Processor - AMD Phenom X4 9850 BE 2.5GHz CPU Cooler - XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle Fans - 4x120mm 2 Side Panel Intake 1 Front Intake 1 Rear Exhaust Mother Board - BIOSTAR TA790GX A2+ Hard Drive - 320GB 7200RPM WD Sata RAM - 2x2GB ( 4GB RAM ) ( DDR2 800MHz ) PS - 850 Watt Antec PSU ( 80% CTF ) Drive - DvD Burner 20x ( Litescribe ) Video Card - PowerColor ATI 4870 OC

# September 6, 2008 3:55 AM
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