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KentuckyRanger

Building my own ultimate Rig

I've always loved working with Computers. Back in the Day, my first PC was a Vic 20, I thought I was in heaven.

Through the Years I've owned several and the thing most lacked where originality. They where all whatever the manufacturer decided I wanted but came miserably short to say the least.

After spending so much on a system, it's always been an irritation that I had to upgrade the thing before the new Case smell went away. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. You buy a Dell or Gateway with a screaming M-Board just to have everything else come in way under the Wire. 500MB of Ram, dinky Video Card, the list goes on and on. Then you try upgrading just to find you're throwing money at a dead Cow, pun intended. Time and again I've had to fix mine, as well as all my Friends and Family's Rigs. The only thing I haven't done is build one from scratch. I have upgraded the heck out of allot though...

After working hard all my life I have the opportunity to build what I want, no holds bared. I've read and researched, posted on Boards, talked, listened and I finally had to come to the point where the talk was over, I took a deep breath and put it all on the line and made the order.                          

Some might say Wow and some snub their Nose at the choices I made but bottom Line, it's mine. I made the choices and I'll have to deal with the consequences. I tried to get the most power, with the least chance of compatibility Migraine. Computers aren't perfect, just like the Picture of a Big Mac has nothing to do with what you get in the Box. But I figure if you stick to an idea line, you'll be less likely to have configuration problems down the Road.

 

CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 Kentsfield Quad Core 2.93GHz. (O/C to 3.2 GHz)

Motherboard: EVGA nVidia nForce 680i SLI ATX.

Memory: 4X 1Gig Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066MHz PC 8500 dual Chanel (matched set).*

Video: 2X EVGA nVidia GeForce 8800 Ultra 768MB Cards in SLI.

DVD Drives: Philips Blu-Ray DVD burner SATA / Philips 20X DVD burner SATA.


Hard Drives: 3X Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10,000RPM SATA.

CPU Cooling: Ultra ChillTEC fully regulated TEC CPU cooler.

Power: Ultra X3 1,000W Modular Plug Power Supply.

Operating System: Windows Vista Ultimate. (64 bit)

Case: Gigabyte Aurora 570.

Monitor: Gateway 24'' LCD FDP2485W.

UPS: CyberPower intelligent LCD series 1,500VA.

* When installing more than 3 GIG of RAM under the Vista X64 O/S you must first install with less than 3 GIG.

After booting the O/S you must go here to download the expanded RAM drivers:

www.support.microsoft.com/kb/929777/en-us

Once the new drivers are installed, Vista X64 will recognize up to 8 GIG with no problems. 

 

The Case:

With any good build it all comes down to Home sweet Home. If the House isn't big enough for the new Family moving in, there's gonna be trouble. The Case has to be one of the most overlooked items in a build. Even such Co's as Dell and Alienware stuff their systems in Cases that just barely accommodate. They both try to compensate with some sort of water cooling system and tons of fans. A good size Case with an efficient air flow design means EVERYTHING in how well your system will operate and keep itself cool. No matter what Case you chose, make sure it has adequate ventilation no matter what other goodies come on it or in it. 

My biggest concern has to do with the 2 8800 Ultra Video Cards. Using a total of 4 power connectors and running 768MB of over clocked ram a piece, these Cards are like space heaters for a Case. It came down to 2, after looking at what seemed like a Million Cases, I was left with the choice of the Antec  P182 and the Gigabyte Aurora 570. I really love the Antec but after analyzing the features of both it came down to which one will work best for what I want, my system needs. First off, if you're going to do an SLI system build, forget Mid Tower Cases. You're going to need lots of space and excellent airflow. The thing that I didn't like about the Antec is P/S placement. Heat rises and even though Antec does a great job in isolating it from the rest of the Case, it's still going to produce heat and it will end up finding its way to where it's not needed. Also, the Antec just had a cluttered feel to it. I'm not saying it's not a good Case, it's just the elimination process I had to go through in order to make sure I got the right one for what I'm about to move in. They both have also put allot of thought into water cooling with pre-drilled Holes for Tubing and nice rubber grommets. I guess this choice has to do with personal preference. Both will work well and there are some other monster Cases out there to chose from. I narrowed it down to these 2 over quite a few rules. Space, airflow, ease of use, structural integrity, upgrade ability and looks. Another place Antec fell short was Structural integrity. The Case itself is very strong, but the front Door just has a feel of something that won't last. I did love the fact that you can open the Door completely. It swings all the way around and sits beside the Case, out of the way. If Antec had made the Door stronger, I'd have went with the Antec, that's how close it came to the 2 I chose from.

Gigabyte Aurora 570. What can I say. Anyone who either uses this Case or has looked close at it knows what I'm talking about when I say, it's got room! It's so open and everything is laid out like a savvy Tech was given free reign over building a custom Case for themselves. Other than the swing around Door on the Antec, I also really liked the Top mounted Fan. When I spec'd this Case out I looked at allot of P/S's as well. The Antec has a 120MM Fan on Top (an excellent feature) so I looked for a P/S that could do the job of Top Case ventilation as well. The Ultra X3 has a 135MM Bottom mounted Fan so this was another plus for the Gigabyte. With the P/S being kept at the Top of the Case and the Ultra X3's 135MM Fan, both my problems are solved. I get to keep the warm P/S on Top and have the 135MM (larger than the Antec's 120MM) Fan at the Top of the Case too.
Another plus for the Gigabyte Case is the Motherboard Tray. This thing is made for just about any Motherboard you'll ever want to put in a Case. The Antec has a very nice Motherboard Tray, but it's limited as to what kind of M-Boards you can put in it.

You can see how the P/S and 135MM Fan work very well at the Top of the Gigabyte Case.





As for clutter, both do an excellent job, I just like the Gigabyte better. If you look at them together you might be able to see why I made the choice I did.

 

 

 

 

 

The 2 have excellent Airflow design but I think Antec went too far in isolating the P/S and placing the Fans where they did. If you look close at the Gigabyte, the 2 X120MM Fans at the rear are placed right above where the 2 8800 Video Cards will be going, keeping the radiating heat away from the rest of the Case. I did like how Antec isolates the Hard Drive Case at the bottom as well but it takes away space from the rest of the Case. I guess that's why I think it looks more cluttered than the Gigabyte Case. The Gigabyte has a nice 120MM Fan in Front for H/D cooling and with the 2 Case Fans as well as the 135MM P/S Fan and massive Side Vent Grille, H/D and video Card heat shouldn't be a problem. Antec got an A+ for their design, but it just wasn't enough to sway me from the Gigabyte. As you can see, allot of thought went into what Case I chose, it's that important.

Gigabyte gives you a Plexiglas Window to replace the Grille if you want to show off but I want cooling, not Rig Case peeping Toms, LOL! If Gigabyte hadn't had the large Vent Grille on the side of the Case I would have went with Antech Hands down because of its excellent flow through design, or had to adjust Fan choices and settings because of the imbalance. I did however replace the Gigabyte Fans with, you guessed it, Antech Fans... If you're reading this and go with the Gigabyte and use the clear Plexiglas then be very careful of your Fan settings.

Another very important thing to remember. Never put more exhaust Fans than you have intake Fans, unless the Case has an adequate Side Vent, or other means of good ventilation. If you do then you'll have hot spots, as well as an over heated P/S. Why the P/S? because on the other side of the P/S Fan is a vent to the outside. If you have too many exhaust Fans running and no where for the Air to get into the Case, the Fans will over power the P/S Fan and try to suck Air in through the rear Vent on the P/S, causing static Air flow and damaging over heating will occur, burning up your P/S and possibly causing damage to the M-Board and other components due to P/S failure. Ventilation is a 2 way Street, always. Whatever you're pulling out of the Case MUST be brought in at the same rate.  No matter what Case you go with, this is the most important point and one that can't be stressed enough. Cool looks are one thing. Cool working conditions for your hardware is the deal breaker in choosing a good Case.

The Motherboard:

This was a very hard choice. It came down to the EVGA nVidia GeForce 680i SLI and the Asus PN 32-E SLI with nVidia 680i Chipsets. Wow, what can I say this was a very hard choice and I did most of my research on this because it's the base of operation so to speak. Like the Case I chose, allot went into this choice as well. This is where my opinion of staying with similar manufacturers comes into play. Asus makes some very powerful Motherboards with Intel Chip sets and I might have went with them, but the Rig I'm building has a theme and I want to stay as close as possible to eliminate compatibility Migraines.
The big turn off with the Asus had to be the Heat Pipe and Heatsink configuration. Asus assumes that you'll be using the OEM CPU cooler so they surround the Socket with all the heat Pipes and Heatsinks to take advantage of the airflow. Do I have to spell out what the Word assume means Asus? Most high end builds are not going to use the OEM CPU cooler so your assumption to surround the Socket with all that heat was crazy! It also eliminates allot of cooling options because there's not enough room to put anything close to the Socket. You're basically forced to either use the OEM cooler or run Water cooling and put a big Fan over it to keep the heat out of the Socket area...
EVGA has had a Rocky start entering into Motherboard design but unlike Asus, they don't have the rep, yet. I feel that with EVGA's entry into M-Board manufacturing, they're more hungry than Asus and are trying allot harder to get the quality Geeks expect. If I was buying this system say 6 Months ago, it would be Asus Hands down. EVGA has really worked hard on Q.C. And it shows. I don't think anyone would go wrong with either choice. We'll see after burn in and some play Time if I made the right decision.

Another great feature of this Board is the Third PCIe Slot. It's only 8X but it's a very nice addition. Why? Because it allows you to add a Physics or Third Video Card. When adding a Third Video Card you have the choice of using it for another Monitor separate from the SLI Cards or you can slave it to the SLI Cards and use the resources of the Card to aid the others. It also gives you the choice in adding a Physics Card like the Ageia. There's really not much reason to get the Ageia Physics Card, yet. But in the future when more Games and other software manufacturers start adding Code to utilize the resources of a Physics Card, you'll be ready with a M-Board like this.

CPU:

I was really on the Wire with this. I know that Intel is slated to release the new line of CPU's at the end of July but I'm the wait and see kind of Guy. The QX6800 has impressed me, allot. The cost is a bit to take but progress comes at a cost. I still don't think the new Intel CPU's will be cheap when released. I've caught allot of Flack over not waiting because allot are saying that the new CPU's will be more powerful and half the price, we'll see. One thing I don't like is the lack of a Track record. Who knows just how great the new Intel CPU's will perform. The QX6800 has already established itself as the King of the Hill. I figure if the QX6700 can be O/C'd to 3.4GHz then the QX 6800 should handle 3.5-4GHZ easy. Like the M-Boards, if this was last Year I'd be going AMD. AMD, are you listening???

Memory:

Talk about variety, good lord! It came down to another 2. Corsair and OCZ. I'm an old Timer and from all I've read about, Corsair is still the can't be beat manufacturer of Memory. OCZ is great, but I've read some bad reviews about customer service. I guess it's all a personal preference. I went with 4 GIG just to see how it runs. I might go up to 8 GIG in the future if need be. That's the great thing about the system I'm building. It's made for future upgrades. 

Video:

What can I say about the GeForce 8800 Ultra? They're over priced MONSTERS! I have an 8800 GTS 640MB Card in my old Rig and it's nothing but awesome! Experience with the 8800 GTS  is what made me really think about Cases. The 8800 GTS in my Mid Tower is like a space heater. 2 8800's in a Mid Tower? Forget it unless you're going to Water cool the whole thing, and don't mind dealing with cramped spaces. Also, with a 24'' Monitor, I'm going to need allot of power to get the best F/R's. I'm also going to be running a second 20'' Monitor for video editing.

Hard Drives:

Another what can I say moment, and another area I caught allot of Flack over. These H/D's are over priced SATA screamers! Although not allot of storage space. I'm going to use One for the Boot Drive and the other Two for storage. Dumb choice? We'll see...

DVD Burners:

I like Phillips and I like the idea of SATA DVD drives. Blu-Ray is new and I do allot of professional video editing. It''ll probably sit idle for a while but has more ability to be upgraded in the future than Sony. Sony just didn't impress me and this is the only thing I looked at as to price. The Second Phillips DVD burner is just a really nice, reliable unit. I've bee using one for a while now and it's just one of those units that does what it's supposed to do.

CPU Cooling:

This had to be the most argued point of this build. My thoughts as to CPU cooling are this. Redundancy and Failsafe. I wanted the simplest most failsafe system I could find. Water cooling has the highest rating on redundancy in my Mind. Tubes, Pumps, Radiators and all that water! I know that some Water coolers have non conductive liquid but you still have to constantly check it to make sure it's Topped off. Add to that the risk of Pump failure and your Rig becomes a big Baby needing to have a sitter whenever it's turned on. I might have went with Water cooling if the manufacturers would think! All the Water cooling systems I looked at have no software that monitors core temps and automatically shuts the system down in case of Pump failure or lack of Fluid. Some People told me to go with a good Air cooler. Yes, they make some awesome air coolers but they're also HUGE. They have to be for any kind of O/Cing. After the Smoke cleared and  I ran out of Aspirin, I went with the Ultra ChillTEC. Why? Low redundancy and a high failsafe rating in my Mind. I wouldn't have went with a TEC a while back because it had bad condensation problems. TEC's are so efficient they over cool a CPU when not needed, causing condensation and possible water damage to the Motherboard. The new generation of TECs have regulation circuitry that keeps the TEC turned off until a certain core Temp is reached. When this happens, the TEC is turned on thus super cooling the CPU when it needs it. I've had allot of People Poo Poo TECs saying a good air cooler will provide the same Temperature regulation as a TEC. Those People just don't understand how a TEC works. If you put a TEC on a CPU and never O/C or run extremely CPU taxing software you can be lulled into thinking the TEC doesn't work. To the contrary, because the newer TECs are regulated, they don't start working until the core temp reaches over 40deg C. The harder the CPU works, the harder the TEC works as well. If you never tax your CPU, you'll think air cooling works better because the core temp is kept lower at idle than the TEC. Air cooling has the least redundancy but doesn't cool as well as water and TEC systems when O/Cing.
TECs score highest for failsafe in my Mind because of several issues, especially with the Ultra model. The cooler has 2 sets of Heatsink Fins. One for regular air cooling and the other for TEC heat dissipation. If both the TEC and Fan fail, there's still a good heatsink with large Fins to keep the CPU from burning up at idle. Also, with the Ultra there's a nice user interface unit that fits into a 5.25'' Bay. It shows all the important info needed in real Time. Core temp and TEC working condition. They use a funny little worker with a Shovel to show how hard the TEC is working. It all comes in a nice package and unlike  Water cooling, you know at a glance what's going on without installing more CPU taxing software. Vigor Gaming makes one almost identical to the Ultra, but the Ultra won out because it has a nicer looking Fin shroud. If you're not going with a Windowed Case then either will do. Also, for the size, this thing really isn't any more heavy than the big air coolers and with the mounting hardware, the weight is distributed well across the Motherboard.

Power supply:

I went with the Ultra X3 1,000W P/S for 2 reasons, Headroom and modular Plugs. I know that a good 650-850W would most likely handle a system like this but being an old Time Electronics Tech I know a little about Power Supplies.
It's not that you need that much power but has to do more with clean Voltage. This system will use around 500W average so 650W is really cutting it close and the 650W P/S will have to work harder to keep up thus causing more heat in the Case. Power Supplies also have the cleanest Voltage when used in the mid Wattage range of the supply. It's where all the parts come together best to do what they're designed to do. If you look at Specs they tell the tale. A 1,000W P/S running at 500W is at its sweet Spot where a 650-850W P/S hits it's sweet Spot at around 325-425W respectively, not even close to what a high end system needs. It's all about headroom and clean Voltage. Another thing to take into consideration is if you're going to use 2 video Cars in SLI. If you are then you need very stable Voltage. The Ultra X3 has 1 12V Rail, unlike some others who use 2-3 even 4 Rails. If you get power from separate Rails powering 2 separate video Cards, there might be problems in syncing so beware of multiple Rail P/S's when going SLI.
Does an Audiophile buy a 2,000W Amplifier to bust their Eardrums? No, they buy it because when the Amp is running at 800-1,000W, there's enough Headroom to anticipate peak loads. It also means that the Amp sounds smoother and more stable at lower volumes. Also, an Amps P/S will make or break it. If a high power Amp has dirty Voltage in the P/S, you'll hear it and when the Amp needs the extra current and it's not there, the Amp will Clip (Overload the P/S Circuit), causing severe damage to small components like the Tweeters. Let's say that while your Rig is sitting idle, everything comes on at once or you have a drive that has Motor problems and draws more current than usual. If your P/S is right on the edge, it'll clip causing catastrophic P/S failure. This will cause possible H/D damage as well as Motherboard, RAM and Bios damage. With the Headroom of a larger P/S you'll have a chance to deal with a problem safely without risking possible damage to hardware as well as the Motherboard. Also, a higher Wattage P/S will run cooler and last longer than one running close to Max output.
I also love the modular design of the power plugs. I can run most of the Cases Cabling directly to the P/S without the tangle of Wires to deal with. The plugs on the Back of the Ultra X3 are standard so everything that can be run direct plugs right into the P/S, eliminating Case clutter. Only the Wires you need are used. Its about Time someone did this. Kudos to Ultra and the others for finally building a user friendly P/S.
 

Monitor:

When choosing a Monitor, the best thing to do is go look at them. Take your favorite DVD and a CDr with your favorite Pictures. Make sure you have a blend of bright and dark Pictures so you can judge contrast. They all have good response Times unless you're looking at really cheap ones.
I chose the Gateway for not only Picture quality but aesthetics as well. When it's on, the Frame fades into the background and doesn't distract me with bright Button lights and do dads. It's just a nice Monitor and the 24'' cost the same as most high end 22'' Monitors. It also has a very neat security feature. If the Monitor is unhooked. It'll only work for an Hour when hooked back up. It asks for a Pin#. If you don't have one, it shuts itself off. Great if some jerk steals your stuff. The look on their Face when the Monitor shuts off, Priceless! It would be even cooler if Gateway hid a Dye Pack behind the Screen, LOL!
 

UPS:

If you're running any kind of Rig without some kind of surge protection, you're just looking for trouble. If you're running a high performance rig without a UPS then you're begging for trouble as well. Not only does a good UPS protect your Rig from surges, it also protects from Spikes and Brownouts. A good UPS will also condition the Line Voltage to give your P/S the cleanest signal possible, helping it produce the cleanest Voltage to your system. A bad Brownout will do more harm to any computer based electronic component than Lightning. Why? Because a Brownout is a silent killer. Small Brownouts will wreak havoc on a P/S, causing huge Falls and jumps in Voltage without you even knowing it. A Computers life depends on clean constant Voltage to work properly. If the Voltage varies too much, it could cause serious damage to the system.

Operating System:

It has to be Vista Ultimate. I know it's buggy but it's the new O/S. Just like XP, once the Bugs are ironed out, it'll be fine.

If you are going to use more than 3 GIG of RAM with Vista X64, please go up and read my side Note about RAM and Vista X64. 

This system has been a long Time coming for me. I'm waiting on NewEgg to ship it all out. I have the Case, P/S and TEC, just waiting on the Guts.">

When it's all put together and the burn in is complete, I'll be updating this Blog as to how this Rig performs.

 

Update:

I got all the Parts Today and put it all together. As you can see in the Picture below space is a big issue with an SLI system build. This is why I went with the Gigabyte Case. It's longer than the Antec and you can see it looks like it fits well. Try picturing this monster in a Mid Tower and you can see why I say it's crazy to try a Mid Case SLI build.

I looked at Ailenware and VooDoo and they stuffed the Cases they use to facilitate the SLI system. No wonder their big Rigs come with Water cooling, they need it.

Remember looking at this Picture that the Gigabyte is a big full size Case. That's why everything fits so well.

 

 

I'll have another update when I get up the Nerve to turn this thing on and start the burn in.

New Update:

The burn in went very well and here are the first Benchmarks.

3-D rendering Benchmarks:

 

 

 

It's kinda hard to read, Sorry. Anyway, using PassMark with the resolution set at 1920X1200 in native 32 bit mode with everything maxed out, 7 Planes, 600 Trees etc... Even though it's a 64 bit program it won't run Benchmarks in 64 bit with Vista X64, bummer...

I know the Numbers are hard to read so I'll spell them out so Y'all won't have to strain your Eyes. Simple 3-D rendering = 2322.1 fps. Medium 3-D rendering = 772.3 fps. Complex 3-D rendering = 74.4 fps

These are un tweaked Benchmarks after a 36 Hour burn in, not too bad. I did run a second Benchmark for 60 Sec and got 79.3 fps on complex 3-D rendering. In some scenes the Frame rate wet as high as 91 fps on Complex but then again we have to be realistic and average the whole thing out so 74.4 ain't too shabby for a Virgin BIOS.

After tweaking the video a little, no O/Cing. I've managed to raise the F/R's a little.

After making adjustments and testing I can say that if you're going to be using 2 video Cards in SLI, alternate Frame rendering is allot better than split Frame rendering in 2 ways. First, you'll get a little bit better F/R and second, the video is allot smoother because both Cards are rendering a full Frame, instead of a split Frame. The only thing to watch out for is compatibility. Some software doesn't play well with alternate Frame rendering so be careful when adjusting this setting. One program that doesn't work is Windows Media player 11.

My new Benchmarks for complex rendering are as follows:

Vertex and Pixel shaders on, 100% settings 7 Planes 600 Trees 1920X1200 4x sample = 82.0 FPS

The first Benchmarks where split Screen rendering so with alternate Frame rendering I gained almost 10FPS

I also tried it out with Vertex and Pixel shaders off and wow what a difference:

Vertex and Pixel shaders off, 100% settings 7 Planes 600 Trees 1920X1200 = 553.3 FPS

This really shows where new software and Games are gobbling up video Card resources. The new Shader technology gives us allot more realistic Game play, but at a big cost.

New SLI Benchmarks:

Well, as for alternate Frame rendering, it works great in some applications but not all. As drivers improve this will become less of an issue but for now, it can and does cause Headaches. So far, the best, most stable configuration has been in single GPU mode. What this means is that the system utilizes 1 video Card for rendering and the Second acts as a slave. The second card is utilized for its resources to aid the performance of the second, kind of like a Physics Card, but different. With this setup I'm getting 73.4fps in complex 3-d rendering within PassMark and 56fps in 3-DMark6. My total score in Mark6 was 13346 with my settings as they are.

 

RAM Benchmarks:

 Nice transfer rates. Keep in Mind this is all with a Virgin BIOS, no O/Cing.

 RAM Benchmarks O/C:

The new Benchmarks aren't bad, but not too impressive as to what the set cost from Corsair. If I had the Money I'd buy OCZ and compare the 2. Anyone out there got 4 Sticks of OCZ they'd lend me? LOL! I don't know if OCZ would do any better or worse. Maybe I'm just being a Brat. It's still not too bad though and after stress testing for 36 Hours all is smooth and stable.

 CPU Benchmarks:

Once again, sorry for the crappy Image. Here's the stats. I over Clocked the CPU to 3.2GHz. The O/C Benchmarks are in bold.

Integer Math: 1277.4 MOpS 1408.8

Floating Point Math: 1711.8 MOpS 1887.7

Find Prime Numbers: 869.6 OpS 952.6

SSE: 10066.9 MMpS 11068.2

Compression: 15739.7  KBpS 17167.5

Encryption: 82.8 MBtpS 90.5

Image rotation: 5633.0 IRpS 6131.3

String Sorting: 6878.5 TSpS 7175.9

As you can see the QX6800 is quite the adding Machine. After over Clocking, I ran several stress tests for 36 Hours to make sure everything was stable. The system ran smooth and flawless with only a +2 deg C increase in CPU Core temp. Before O/C the CPU Core temp was 32 deg C during stress testing. After O/C the Core temp was 34 deg C during stress testing. It surprised me at the jump in performance from 2.93GHz to 3.2GHz and the QX6800 didn't run much warmer which really surprised me as well. I was anticipating a Core temp increase of at least 5-8 deg C, I was very pleasantly surprised. I can't say for sure if it has to do with the CPU design or the TEC design. Either way, the jump in performance didn't cause any ill affects at all. 

 Final thoughts:

There's nothing quite as satisfying as doing something on your own and building your own Rig is right up there with learning to play the Guitar. When you build your own System you learn what makes a PC tick. New Plug and Play technology allows anyone with minimal Tech knowledge to put a Rig together with few Headaches and actually teaches a Person what makes their PC run and how to take care of it properly. I've seen so many Rigs come into my little Shop where a Friend or Family member asks the immortal question, "It just stooped working. Can you fix it?" Most People buy a PC, plug it in, use it, and never think about what's going on inside the fancy Metal Box. I'll open one up and can't believe my Eyes that the thing is even running. So much Dust and Dirt that I can't even see a M-Board, let alone work on it. After Vacuuming, brushing, blowing and scrubbing, the Components become visible. Usually after a thorough cleaning the Rig will run OK, most of the Time. When a Rig gets like that the most likely cause of system failure is heat. Thermal breakdowns account for most system failures, running a close second to Mall-ware, excessive installs and un installs etc... When a Person builds their own Rig they take notice of what's going on inside the Box and will have a better understanding of why it's important to maintain their new Rig. It makes them aware of what it takes to make a Rig run and in gaining knowledge from building it themselves, they gain an appreciation of just how all the parts come together and work to produce the Pictures on their Screen. Well, some do anyway...

Another aspect as to building your own Rig is gaining the knowledge of which Components do what. That way down the Road if something does happen, you have the ability to recognize what's causing the problem an fix it yourself, saving you allot of Money and aggravation dealing with a PC repair Shop. Most Computer Shops want to sell you things you don't need and trust me on this, most know as much or less than you do about your Rig. They know just enough to sell you things you don't really need or want, that's how they make their Money. Some also talk you into thinking your Rig is so broken and out of Date that the best thing to do is buy a new one. They make an offer to buy yours for next to nothing making you feel relieved to at least get something out of your old Rig. You get a new Rig and the "Computer Technician" takes your old Rig, invests a few Dollars in RAM and re-sells it at an enormous profit. In building your own, you know what makes it tick. You know if performance deteriorates what's causing it.

But pre built Rigs come with a Warranty! Well, so does all the Hardware you buy for your Home built Rig. In fact the Warranties that come with the hardware are more Times than not, better than the Warranty a Co built Rig offers, and you don't have to pay extra for it.

But My Rig will be down if I have to send a Part back to be fixed! OK, what do you think will happen when you send the whole unit in for service when something goes wrong? At least you're just shipping the offending Part, you still have your Rig and if it's something inexpensive, you can replace it and still use your Rig while the Part is being fixed. I've done that before. I had a video Card go down on me and it was under Warranty. I sent the video Card to be replaced and in the mean Time, purchased another that same Day. I have to have my Rig running because it's the Heart of my business. In the mean Time I got the replacement Card. I then put it on eBay for auction and only lost $10.00 in the deal, not bad, and I was able to continue using my Rig in the mean Time. If I had purchased a Co Rig I'd have had to send the whole thing in when the Video Card went down, losing my ability to work. It would have cost allot of Money to ship it because that's not included in the Co Warranty and who knows how long it would have taken to get it back, in one Piece. I had a Friend who had to get his Co Rig replaced 3 Times because when it go to Him, it was in Pieces. The first one he got, he plugged it in without checking it out first and all Hell broke lose. When the Smoke cleared he opened it up to find everything a shambles. During shipping all the internal components where damaged. The M-Board was cracked as well. This went on 3 Times, until he Finlay got one whole. I told Him the reason he finally got it in One piece must have been for the fact that they Guy in the Shipping department must have been fired... An assembled Rig has allot of sensitive Parts inside. If not handled with care they can and will be damaged. Receiving your Rig in Parts is allot better because the single parts are much more protected than a fully assembled Rig.

But I just don't know how to do it! Trust me on this. If you have the slightest Mechanical knowledge, dexterity, and a good Internet connection, you most certainly can build it yourself.

Burning and Bench Marking. These are great tools to make sure your system is stable and running smooth. As for bragging rights well, does it really matter? I don't think so. I'd say a good over Clocked system with a single video Card could kick this systems Butt. Do I care, not really. I stress tested and Bench Marked to get an idea as to how everything is working, kind of like taking your Car to a Mechanic for a tune up. Does a tune up make your Car faster than others? It does to a point, but don't expect your newly tuned Hyundai to take a Mustang Cobra in a drag race. it just means your Car is running as good as it can. The same goes for over Clocking. You can add a Turbo to your Hyundai and get allot better performance, but the Engine won't last as long as a properly tuned stock Engine. Tweaking within the OEM limits will make a system run faster and smoother, but extreme over Clocking will shorten a systems life dramatically. It's cool to get a system to run blistering Frame rates, but in the real World it's not going to matter, unless you just want to brag about your F/R's to your Buddies. Does a Game running at 100fps look better than a Game running at 60fps? No. In fact, a smooth system running a Game at 40fps looks allot better than an over Clocked system running 120fps because your pushing the limits so far you'll get all kinds of flickers and odd looking Pixels here and there. Why? because other factors like your Monitors performance as well as other system resources can't keep up and will show their limits when one component is pushed to the limit.   Bottom Line, if you build your own Rig and tweak it within OEM limits, you'll get allot more joy and stability out of your new system than if you try pushing it too far to keep up with your Friends Benchmarks. Just enjoy your new Rig and stop thinking of what your Frame rates are while playing Half Life 2, just enjoy it.

 

 

 

Thanks to Newegg.com for all the support before and after purchase, ultra fast Shipping and use of the  empty Case Photos.

 

Update: 

After buying allot of Garbage trying too keep the GPU's cool I decided to make my own.

Here are the Parts I used:





I had to cut out the 2 Holes on the back of the Case to allow fro ventilation: 

 

 

Then I used the supplies and hot melt Glue to make the exhaust Fan:

 

 

 Here's how it fits into the Case:

 

 

It really has made all the difference in the World as too cooling.

My GPU temps went from 60c idle 78c load to 48c idle 59c load.

The Antec Fan is very quiet at high speed and it draws massive amounts of Air out of the Case and video Cards.

 I know allot of you will say there's no way this would work and that a Squirrel Cage Fan is the way to go but trust me, I've spent too much money on all the available cooling solutions out there and this has by far surpassed anything I've found.
 

 

Published Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:57 AM by KentuckyRanger

Comments

 

Reactor89 said:

*drool*... Oh! Sorry.

Just 4GBs of ram man come on...;-)

Anyway please benchmark the computer and post the results OK!

Reactor89

July 22, 2007 8:14 AM
 

cky2k6 said:

this is a godly system, and the component choice is impeccable. I just hope you got a 64bit os, cause I dont believe even vista 32bit has solved the 4gb physical memory limitation.

July 22, 2007 1:43 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

I got it running, after dealing with Vista X64... After many attempts at installing the O/S I found out that Microsoft in its infinate wisdom forgot to add the drivers to support extended RAM. I had to pull 2 Sticks of RAM before Vista would run. AFter that I had to go here: www.support.microsoft.com/kb/929777/en-us

After downloading and installing the drivers everything went well. It's funny that an O/S that touts support of up to 8 GIG of RAM can't do it out of the Box. It only supports <3GIG...

I'm in the process of O/Cing and will post the Benchmarks when available.

July 27, 2007 2:34 AM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Dang Reactor89! What more do you want. Blood? LOL! I wanted to go with 8GIG and I still might. As fro right now 4 GIG is really working well, especialy with the SLI video Cards.

July 27, 2007 5:17 AM
 

Zooch said:

That is so sexy....

Can you explain to me a little better what TEC is?  I understand it's a cooling thing, but more info would be great.  Or a link.

August 2, 2007 9:49 AM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Hey Zooch! Thanks for the comment.

TEC is an acronym for Thermal Electric Cooling, like the Coolers you can buy to keep drinks cold in the Car, it's the same technology. The way it works in a CPU cooler is they sandwich the TEC Chip between 2 Plates on the Heatsink. This way the unit serves as an air cooler, just like the OEM cooler on most M-Boards. The early models kept the TEC unit on all the Time and that was bad. Why? Because TEC's are so effecient at cooling, they would over cool the CPU during idle. Why that's a bad thing is simple physics. When something is cooled well below Room temprature it causes condensation, just like on the side of your Glass of Iced Tea on a hot summer Day. This would cause Water damage to the M-Board. The early units had to be modified to keep condensation away from the CPU and surrounding components by using Silicone, a messy compramize to say the least.

The new TEC units have a controll unit that keeps track of the CPU Core temp and only comes on when the CPU needs it, around 40-45deg C thus eliminating the condensation problem and making TEC's a viable alteritive to Water cooling.

Here's a Link to a great Video about the Ultra ChillTEC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjnXUUBIPA

August 2, 2007 1:10 PM
 

BrotherJonathan said:

Sweet machine.  I'm in the same situation as you.  Been upgrading my PCs in the past, and have built a few of my own, but have never had the $$$ to truly get one that kicks.  Now I'm at that point where I can.

I do have a silly question, which I know I really should know the answer to.

What does it mean to "Burn In"?  Is is simply leaving the machine on for a period of time, or is there something that has to run as well to "burn it in"?

Thanks!

August 2, 2007 3:41 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Not a stupid question at all. Burn in is just Geek speak for running a stress test Program for so many Hours. I use the stability test that's built into nVidias Control Panel. It's free and does a very good job at stressing all the Components i.e. CPU, video Card, RAM etc...

All a burn in does is stress the Components for a set Time to make sure everything is working the way it should. I set the nVidia stress test to 36 Hours. Then checked to make sure all went well. Then set it again for another 36 Hours just to be sure.

This is a must when over Clocking to make sure all is running well and is just a way to make sure a stock Rig is put together properly and that all the Components are working like they should.

This way, if something like a Stick of RAM or a video Card is bad from the Factory, it can easily be diagnosed and sent back for replacement while still under waranty.

When building Rigs for People as a Business, burning in is a must. If one builds Rigs and ships them without knowing it's working properly won't last long in Word of Mouth advertising.

Not to mention the extra cost of shipping the thing back because you didn't take the Time or care to see the thing was working in the first place.

Anyway, that's what burning in means.

August 3, 2007 3:57 AM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

One other thing Jonathan. You don't have to spend the big Bucks like I did to get a really screaming Rig. I did it because I had the oprotunity to afford to. You could make a Rig that runs as well as this one and save allot of Money on all the extra Doo Dads I put in this Rig.

For instance, you could save a Ton of Money and get a really nice 7200rpm H/D with 500GB and in the real World, you'd never be able to notice the difference other than Windows taking 20 extra Seconds to load. You could also save a bunch on just putting 2 GIG of RAM in, instead of 4GIG and unless you where really taxing the system, you'd never know the extra 2 GIG was missing.

Blu-Ray burning is so new, there's no real reason to even have it right now. I got it for the future of my business. A good, low cost DVD burner will do wonders and you can get one for under $50.00.

As for the M-Board, it really wasn't that much more than a good "budget" M-Board. Now if you're talking over extreme like the Asus Striker extreme then you're talking qite a bit of a price Gap between budget and high end M-Boards.

SLI is nice, but it's a technology that hasn't grown up yet. You can get very nice and very impressive Frame rates with a video Card like the GeForce 8800 GTS or even the GeForce 8600 GTS for that matter and the 8600 GTS is under $200.00.

If you want great video performance without going SLI then you can even save more Money if you go with a M-Board that doesn't even support SLI like the Asus P5K series, Very powerful and inexpensive high performance M-Boards.

Another place you can save allot is in buying OEM software like Vista, Microsoft Works etc...

What seperates OEM from full versions is pricey packaging and documentation. OEM software must be purchased from the same vendor and is linked to the Hardware it's going with i.e. the M-Board. The difference between Consumer and OEM software can reach into the Hundreds of Dollars.

OEM Hardware works kind of the same way. You get the same Hardware but in a plain Box and without support documentation and in most cases, driver software. Take for instance the W/D Raptor H/D's I purchased. I saved around $40 per Unit by getting the OEM version. The sacrafice was no SATA Cable, no Owners Manual and no software CD. Plain Box with nothing but the H/D. If you want the Goodies you'll pay for them.

Another instance was the CPU. I saved almost $200.00 by purchasing the OEM version. What did it miss? No CPU cooling Fan and no support documentation other than a little Warranty pamphlet. Plain Box with nothing but the CPU. No cool Stickers, No Cooler either, LOL!

It all comes down to your knowledge on installing Hardware and comfort in dealing with being on your own when building a new Rig. Another issue is CPU choice. You can get awesome performance out of a much less expensive CPU than the QX6800. In fact, the QX6700 is a great CPU and cost around$400.00 less. Now that the new QX6850 is out and you can find it for just under $1k if you look hard enough, will make the others come down in price as well very soon if it hasn't already. Also, AMD still makes some very awesome CPU's, even though they have been out paced by Intel in the last Year. It's another one of those bragging right things. The high priced CPU's do perform better, but if you're just wanting to play Games and do simple multi tasking, you'll never notice the difference.

On the other Hand, if you are like me and do allot of high end video as well as Photo editing, then you will really notice the slow down. Quad Core doesn't help me in Halo 2 or Doom 3, but it sure shines when I'm editing 2 Hours of video Clips with heavy transitions and video effects.

In the future, more and more Game and software manufacturers will be utilizing all this new technology but don't expect it for another 6-12 Months.

I can't even find editing software that runs in 64bit, yet.

As for performance increases in Gaming running 64bit Code, who knows...

I remember the first extreme Rig I worked with. It ran in 8bit and had 6KB of RAM. That's right, less than 1 Gig. It ran well for back then and was cutting Edge technology for the Time.

I also remember the First external H/D I worked on as a Tech. It was a 10 MB Unit made by Star technologies and cost almost $4,000.00

It broke down more often than it worked, LOL! From what I remember, I think it has a 200 Hour service operation life. I can get more Time out of a Light Bulb from Big Lots, LOL!

I guess my Tangent from the subject has to do with what it costs to build a Rig Today, in comparison to say 3-4 Years ago. $3k Today gets you about the same as $5k just 3 Years ago. Just look at LCD Monitors. Just a Year ago the same 20" Monitor you can get at Wal Mart for under $200.00 cost $500.00.

This system was the first Time I rode ahead of the Wave, istead of riding in the middle somewhere.

When you decide to start putting together your List of Goodies, remember what I said here. You don't have to Mortgage the House to have an awesome Rig.

I just went all out on this system because I could, and I wanted to make it as future proof as possible.

August 3, 2007 5:36 AM
 

darkhut said:

ever heard of Linux? it supports 4 or more gigs of ram just like that. it's got less overhead and more features. it's design is smarter, way more efficient than any m$ product will ever be. unless gaming is all you do, I don't see any reason to pay for vista ultimate. in fact, i really think thats throwing money out the window. you think aero looks cool? ever heard of beryl? do a search for beryl vs vista on youtube and you will know you're paying on inferior technology just because you don't care what you do with ur money. you should though, because it's this kind of attitude that hurts everybody else by supporting monopoly and not smart technology and progress.

August 4, 2007 11:55 AM
 

Genesis said:

great rig but what is that in the 3.5 external bay?

August 4, 2007 12:02 PM
 

Eight4 said:

I like it a lot.  Your cable management and color matching are pretty slick.

August 4, 2007 4:56 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Yes, I've heard of Linux and I almost went with it. I e-mailed all the softare vendors who I purchase my editing software through and some do support Linux but not enough to sway me.

I'm thinking about getting another H/D and installing Linux just to see what I can do with it.

I didn't mean to come off as a techno snob. I just had the oprotunity to build this Rig with no restrictions.

Back in the Day I was a die hard OS2 Warp fanatic. In fact, I used it untill about 5-6 Years ago when IBM dropped support. I remember getting the quality Win XP only had in the last Days on that O/S and back when I first got it Win 3.1 was the big Dog on the Block with delay after delay of the Win 95 relese. In fact, I used my Beta Hi-Fi untill it broke, refusing to submit to VHS. When I did, I got a cheap VHS unit because by then DVD was comming into its own. I almost went with Laser Disc when it first came out but let my Friends buy it before I did to see if they where any count. I'm glad I didn't because they had allot of problems out of the first systems. Like I said, sorry if I came off like a Snob.

I have a Fan controller in the 3.5" Drive slot. It really works great. Not real fancy but does just what it's designed to do, control Fans, LOL!

Thanks for the comment on Cable management. I tried to keep everything low profile, no glow in the dark wire wraps, LOL!

I keep hearing such bad revews of the Ultra ChillTEC I almost replaced it with a Water cooler, but the dang thing works so well and as for the temp display not being very good well, I keep going straight into the system monitor and the CPU Core temp is about 2deg C off so I still say it's not a bad Unit. If it can keep this system under 40deg C while under heavy loads then I'm fine with its performance.

August 5, 2007 12:48 AM
 

ShadowReeper said:

Absolute beauty.. My dream machine in the hands of another man.. LOL! Great build.. No, PERFECT build. If it is alright to ask a huge favor, could you send me a little step-by-step deal on building a PC. I'm only 16 and I am going to build a gaming PC for my senior project. I have the compatible parts really similar to yours so you can just explain how you built yours. I am in need of assistance and I see you know what you are doing, so if you could, please e-mail me at ShadowReeper@aol.com with any details or anything at all to help me. Thank you, and what a great job on your beast-of-a-build!

August 6, 2007 2:18 PM
 

HowardsFamily said:

I really enjoyed reading your story. I just started my journey into building my ultimate machine. I'm still learning what it takes to make a machine tic but im trying to gather as much knowledge as it takes to build a rig from scratch, this was very informative and encouraging.

September 8, 2007 2:35 PM
 

DBCooper said:

Great job KR, someday in the near future I will venture down this road of building a PC.

I am not the mechanic type and I have big hands. I have added memory to a machine and an

Lan card to my computer.

I have several old machines setting around from the 2000 era that power own but do not show any video. Is that the problem?

I think what I want is to learn how to test the different parts to see if they work.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for a great blog.

September 9, 2007 5:51 PM
 

crashoften said:

Its interesting to hear about the thought process other builders go through when picking parts. I've got a aging system with a single core Athlon 64 and Ati x800xl that I am going to be upgrading soon (new mobo, mem, cpu) and I really confuse my family when I start talking about  pro's and cons of the various chipsets, crossfire vs SLI, dual or single, air coolers, power supply ratings, hard drive speeds, cooling features of newer cases.  What computer parts define me as a end user? <joke.  I think anytime you make your choices public you are risking the wrath of the self proclaimed geek elite who can be ruthless in assessing your knoledge. Kudos for taking the risk. It's doubtful my new rig will feature any of your parts (cept for my already in place Raptors) With some reasearch with all the reviews out there on parts it  doesn't have to be a total c**p shoot, but ya don't know how the parts are gonna work together till you slap it all together. Good job on the wireing, it looks great. Your assessment on the joy of building your own is dead on. My first attempt at a upgrade was scary as hell (my 3 gig hard drive), but it took just over an hour and I felt like the king of the world!

September 22, 2007 12:30 PM
 

1300 watt PSU? - FileFront Gaming Forums said:

October 14, 2007 12:13 PM
 

HOGHAULER said:

Hello KentuckyRanger and greetings from the HOGHAULER after reading your blog and the reviews by other comp/enthusists such as myself I had to comment as well as ask a few minor ?'s 1st that is an outstanding build you did and I complament you on the procedures you used! Most youngsters today just dive in head first with out thinking things thru. You examined what you wanted from the computer, then what you wanted for yourself, then analized the hardware from the case to the smallest detail. Then you ordered and built 1 terriffic machine. Now to the questions why SLI, why not P38 or P35 MB's, if you plan on doing so much video work why 8800GTX why not HD2600XT or even HD2900XT. Last but not least where did you find the TEC I didnot even know they existed if I had I would have got 1 before buying the air cooler for my HTPC I'm building now.

November 8, 2007 3:00 PM
 

Nancy01602 said:

Just curious - what was the cost of components and how long did the build take.  

November 22, 2007 12:10 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Thanks for the Flowers HOGHUALER.

To answer the question about why SLI, I was looking at something simmalar to the HD2900XT but after looking the whole thing over I decided to go with the 8800's for the most future bang for the Buck. Any of the 880 series Cards are so new and have support for so much in the future that's not even close to being out yert I figured that I'd deal with the Headaches that come with new technology becuae I kew that evantualy things would catch up and since this build I've had quite a few Migranes to say the least.

If I'd have ran across your comment when you posted it back in Oct I'd have most likely said I was really regretting my decision on Vista as well as SLI and the 8800 series but in the last few Weeks there have been some very good updates to both that has turned my discontent into relief that things are finnaly catching up to the hardware and O/S I chose.

Since doing some video editing I can tell you that my choice has really paid off in render Times.

Not so much SLI because it would only take 1 8800 to do the job video editing software requires, that was more for my games, LOL!

But as to the 64 bit O/S and CPU, the differance is night and Day as to the speed the software can render changes to Video clips.

My old system took forever and some Days I'd just give up and turn the thing off after it would crash from asking my old rig to do so much at once.

For instance, I'd do a pan and zoom on a short 15 second clip with my old system and it would take almost 5 Min to render.

Now that same clip takes less than 10 Seconds.

I guess my answer to the 8800's in SLI would be they're great for gamming and I wanted something really overboard for once, LOL!

As to the TEC, Newegg and Tiger both have one. I went with the Ultra because it looks nicer with the Ultra logo heatsink shroud.

That was the only thing I had to turn from Newegg and get it from Tiger because the one Newegg offeres doesn't look as cool. It's basicaly the same unit but one is a little more fancy.

I read allot of stuff about the pros and cons of Ultras TEC unit but since I've had my Rig up and running for almost 6 Months I don't regret getting it one bit over Water cooling.

The CPU has never went over 38deg C no matter what I'm doing with it and it idles at 28deg C when I'm just goofing around on the internet like I am now now.

Like I said before, Water cooling just doesn't have the redundancy that the Ultra TEC has and I'll argue that all night long with Water cooling gurus.

December 13, 2007 11:21 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Hey Nancy.

As to the cost, after it was all over and the smoke cleared from my Bank account, LOL!

Total cost was $6200.00

I went all out on this and you could build a Rig now using the newer CPU's and eliminating things like the UPS and come in for about $500.00 less.

You could even save more if you went with one 8800 and a smaller P/S and still have a really screaming Rig.

This was just my chance to build a no holds barred super screamer.

And if you're thinking that a Company built Rig really isn't that much more I'll let you in on some research I did before building this system.

The closest thing I could find to this build was only offered by VooDoo, Alienware came in second. The VooDoo maxed out was $9800.. and the Alienware came in at $8600.00 less the Blu-Ray DVD drive. Niether offered 8800 Ultras, only GTX and this was less the Monitor and UPS!

I figure I got the system I wanted and saved about $3500.00 doing it myself.

December 13, 2007 11:49 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Sorry all for not getting on here more. I'm glad my story help you all out.

As far as building a Rig yourself it's almost foolproof Today.

DB, as far as what you're going through just keep reading and learning. Computers Today are so forgiving, not like the old Days when I went to Computer School. I remember spending a whole Day trying to install a stupid Modem in a Friends PC. It was a 486 machine and you had to manualy set everything without causing conflicts.

Todays PC's with plug and play standards there really isn't any way of goofing unless you're trying to install a very old piece of hardware in a new machine.

As to your older Computers booting up and not showing up on the screen, that could be anything from a bad Video Card to the lack of compatability with a new Monitor. I'll message you and we can get into it in more depth but thank you for the kind Words,

CrashOften you are dead on about the Tech Geeks who tear apart anything that lands outside what they think to be right. I'd have to defend the real Geeks (I have some as Friends) because they have an actual understanding of Computers and electronics, not info that some pick up out of the PC Mags and think they're all of a sudden Computer Gurus because they've learned some fancy vocabulary that makes them sound smarter than they really are.

Some like SLI, (nVidia), some like Crossfire (Radion). Some People are true Intel fans and some swear by AMD. Some love their PC's and some love their Macs.

They all have their bragging rights and fualts but in the end everyone's happy. (most of the Time) :O)

December 14, 2007 12:11 AM
 

RaoulDukeHsT said:

I have been around the block with the CPU Cooling game myself, and to no surprise i have ultimately decided to go with the Ultra. The Mobo im using will be a XFX 780i, however the conflict that keeps circling my head and i see you may have addressed is the memory profile height, i see you use dominators with the Fan and just turned the Ultra so that it exhausts upward.

But, did this still clear the northbridge passive cooler on your EVGA 680i Mobo? Cause in the pics on newegg the northbridge passive cooler looks pretty tall and i cant manage to see it in any of your pics.

And how is that Ultra being turned that direction? Any air traps or good overall flow?  

BTW Smoking Build, i feel ya on your ideas.

January 22, 2008 9:28 PM
 

MusicMan said:

KR - I not a neophyte when it comes to building machines (7+ years), but I am always looking for advice in selecting the proper components.  I am budget conscious and would like build a gaming machine.  I have been partial to ASUS boards, however, it looks like there are a number of front runners making mobos (EVGA, Gigabyte, etc.).  What are your recommendations for a machine that will kick butt, but within a modest budget, say <$1000?

January 26, 2008 12:55 AM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Hey Raoul, thanks for the Props.

As for the Ultra it's made for such a system. I looked at it before I purchased to make sure I could be creative if need be as to clearance and it fits perfectly on the 680i M/Board.

The Northbridge Fan sits right under and to the outside onthe Shroud of the Ultra.

Another thing I took into concideration was how to get the warm air from the Ultra to ouside the Case. I did it through the Ultra X3 PSU. It has a huge Fan on the Bottom that keeps Air flowing perfectly to the outside of the Case.

January 26, 2008 3:05 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Hey MusicMan.

if I wanted a good Rig under $1,000.00, let me think...

I went shopping and here's what I'd get, taking into concideratin what you like.

I'd stay away from the newer M/Board that support a Third PCI express Slot because they're the same Board with an extra Slot and if you aren't going to get that crazy it's not worth the extra Money.

If I had a limited budget this is what I'd get, even if I had to save a little extra to do so.

The 2 things I wouldn't compromise anymore would be the M/Board, CPU, GPU and RAM. You'd be shooting yourself in the Foot trying to save a Couple Hundred Dollars with any of the 4 and this setup is very Future proof.

If it where me I'd satrt with 1 good GPU and save up for the second if SLI was where I wanted to go in the future. I wouldn't get anything less than the 8800 series just for the fact they have the best shader tech as well as 320bit DDR3 Mem and if this is going to be a Gamming Rig then it's something I'dreally want.

The Q6600 CPU is one of the most versitile Overclockable and stable units I've read about. I almost went with it on my build but I just went all out. I guarantee if I'd got this CPU I'd be just as happy as I am with the QX6800.

2 GIG of RAM is perfect for starting out with, 4 GIG is overkill. My Rig never uses more than 70% of the Mem so there's 1 GIG that's not even being used. The RAM I chose is very cost effective and has really good Timmings as well as 1066FSB for under $200.00

The PSU is light at 550w but it will handle this Rig well untill it's SLIed.

As for the Case I'd never use a Mid Tower if I was thinking SLI in the Future and even with only 1 8800 Card in there, they're space heaters and need all the breathing room they can take.

The CPU cooler I chose looks to be an exellent choice and is very cost effective.

I don't know if you have a Monitor or O/S so I included that in as well.

Bottom Line:

Full system: $1,731.00

System without Monitor & O/S: $1241.00

I know I went over budget but I just couldn't scrimp anymore where it counted.

I'd think this Rig would put anything Dell or Gateway has out there for $3,000.00 to shame IMHO.

M/Board: Asus Striker extreme

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131074

CPU: Intel Q6600

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

CPU Cooler: Zerotherm Nirvana

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835887011

Memory: 2 GIG Corsair XMS PC2 8500

GPU: EVGA 8800 GTS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082

PSU: Antec Neopower 550w

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103941

Case: Sunbeam Transformer

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811166004

O/S: Vista 64bit OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116215

Monitor: Samsung 22" Wide Screen

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001083

January 26, 2008 4:59 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

I meant to say the 4 Things I wouldn't comprimise on... LOL!

January 26, 2008 5:00 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

January 26, 2008 5:03 PM
 

MusicMan said:

KR - Thanks for the info.  I already had my eyes on the Striker mobo.  The critical thing I am looking for in a mobo is stability.  Performance is important, but if the machine isn't stable, then I might as well chuck performance out the window.  From what I've read and heard from experts is that Intel tends to be more stable than AMD.

January 26, 2008 10:33 PM
 

KentuckyRanger said:

Lord I haven't been on here in a long while, LOL!

The only update I have is that I figured out what was causing the boot up problem.

After dealing with this and trying EVERYTHING, a Firmware update made me aware of the problem.

The Philips 20X DVD burner SATA drive is the culprit.

The original Firmware was causing the problem intermittently so it kind of hid it from me.

After updating the Firmware the system refused to boot with the drive installed and would stall at the initializing drives point.

I think allot of the problems People are having with all this new technology is the simple fact that hardware manufacturers are reluctant to spent the time, effort and money to properly upgrade their Firmware so be careful when putting a new Rig together because I've heard some really bad stories of non-compatibility issues with the newer M/Boards like the 790i.

The only other thing I've done to this Rig is make my own cooling solution for the CPU and the video Cards.

August 20, 2008 5:35 AM
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My first Computer class consisted of a Box full of Cards to use on an IBM 10 Key punch and a Book of flow charts. My first PC was the Commodore Vic 20. When I was in School learning computer electronics, we used the Commodore 64 and the uber powerhouse 128 with a 10'' Green screen Monitor. I think the 128 had an impressive 8 Bit processor. I used to backup my class projects on a cassette Tape drive. Then after working allot of overtime, I got a 7.5'' floppy drive because it was so much faster... Things have come a LONG way, LOL!

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